Arlo;4705 said:
I can only speak for myself, but I don't think there's a great need to sift through everything that happened then. A lot of people fucked up. You thought you saw something bad happening and tried to stop it.
Fair, but I think there are legitimate open questions to be asked, especially considering my current involvement in Lazarus.
For example, ...
Cormac;4710 said:
Arlo;4705 said:
I can only speak for myself, but I don't think there's a great need to sift through everything that happened then. A lot of people fucked up. You thought you saw something bad happening and tried to stop it.
Whew. Let me try to unpack that into separate questions and statements, and address those piecewise.
You hid your identity as Curious Observations and collaborated with the NPO
Neither Curious Observations nor Roavin ever collaborated with NPO in 2017. I found out about Task Force Lazarus through the Miniluv article.
At a time when you were in a position of leadership in the South Pacific, you used an anonymous puppet to interfere in internal Lazarene affairs in violation of Lazarus' sovereignty
I did see a trend that seemed concerning, and putting together the data it was clear that the pattern of citizenship applications was unusual. I could have posted that as Lazarene Roavin, but I didn't for a few reasons. First, I had just become TSP's Prime Minister a few weeks earlier, and I didn't want TSP's response to anything to be tainted by my involvement. Second, I was First Warden of the Order of the Grey Wardens at the time, so basically the head guy of the leading Defender organization, while that organization was at its peak. The entire madness was already being pitted as a "raider vs defender" thing, and having
The Defender of that time getting publicly involved would not have helped. And third, just as a supporting argument, I wasn't ever the most active in Lazarus anyway, so it would have once again been seen like me taking advantage of my citizenry in Laz to peddle in favor of TSP and/or TGW. This really, really was not my intent.
You fomented conflict that resulted in a civil war and abrupt, destructive regime change from which Lazarus is still recovering
I don't know how much of it was Curious Observation's doing, and particularly in light of Task Force Lazarus, I'm starting to think I had less of an impact than I felt guilty of. But nonetheless, despite my best intentions, I think overall I did more bad than good, and that is something I had felt guilty about ever since.
Afterwards, you and others (such as Tim) became extremely hostile and dismissive toward the resistance, treating them like n00bs who had no idea what they were doing
It's kinda ironic thinking afterwards. It was kinda true - Ike and Ark were leading figures, but unbeknownst to anybody else, Ark had other goals. While they were given lots of advice on how to do things better, few of those things were actually implemented. I maintain that Tim and I had many legitimate grievances with how the resistance ran things. Maybe we could have expressed it better, though I don't think I (for my part) overdid it
too much.
You distanced the South Pacific -- which was supposed to be Lazarus' ally -- from the resistance
I don't think this is fair to say. TSP was the resistance's greatest ally, and TSP got much flak for it. By the time the resistance's efforts were beyond any reasonable hope and the resistance kept doing things that were, let's say, less than ideal, we began distancing ourselves somewhat. That was months later. And even then, TSP never recognized UDoL, and only actually parted ways formally with CU when Llamas/Maurizio as the exiled CU's head of government was found doing less than savory things to try to still win back Lazarus, earlier this year.
Why should we trust you to remain on our judiciary?
Dirty politics are separate from an impartial judiciary, I'd say. I can separate concerns, and in fact I showed it in Summer 2017. While I was involved in the Lazarus fight on the side of the resistance through TSP, I was also in TGW at the time. It would have been easy for me to order TGW to get involved in Lazarus as well (and even EW once said that this may have tipped the scales). However, I completely recused myself from both the discussion and the decision within TGW regarding its involvement in probably the most significant GP event of 2017, and they chose neutrality.
Nonetheless, you raised a valid point on Discord, and that is that my appointment was made without the full information, i.e. the knowledge of my alternate identity as Curious Observations. Therefore,
this.