McChimp Staff member Epilektoi (CLS) Citizen Resident (Lazarus) Verified Citizen 6 Months Citizen 12 Months Became a Citizen Joined Jul 16, 2018 Messages 619 Feather ƒ2,940 Nation Custadia Region Lazarus Jan 6, 2019 #2 I'm going to go ahead and put the vampire theme down, seeing as it did seem to have broad support. There's all kinds of imagery you can use, Gothic architecture, the whole classic horror motif. On top of that there's an associated feudal political structure-the delegate could be the Countess, her cabinet could be Viscounts. I think the whole undead thing also links in rather nicely with Lazarus being resurrected and nations being raised from the boneyard. I don't think our theme necessarily has to be light. Plenty of stuff that's grim is popular.
I'm going to go ahead and put the vampire theme down, seeing as it did seem to have broad support. There's all kinds of imagery you can use, Gothic architecture, the whole classic horror motif. On top of that there's an associated feudal political structure-the delegate could be the Countess, her cabinet could be Viscounts. I think the whole undead thing also links in rather nicely with Lazarus being resurrected and nations being raised from the boneyard. I don't think our theme necessarily has to be light. Plenty of stuff that's grim is popular.
Aumelodia Verified Joined Jun 12, 2018 Messages 30 Feather ƒ1,085 Nation Aumelodia Jan 7, 2019 #3 is easily extensible and familiar to everyone. Each qualifier added on to the description of a theme is another step to making the theme harder to join in on and harder to find ways to use, and each obscure reference added to a theme just to make it historically accurate bogs it down. This is a theme to set a basis for the development of our identity, not an alternate history roleplay. In the past, when we've adopted extremely specific themes, people have gotten bored quickly once they realize they're stuck within narrow bounds and have to make up everything besides the titles. It needs to be uncontroversial and inoffensive, regardless of cultural background. This is where we've hit a wall with Christian proposals before. In general, the easiest way to be sure you're uncontroversial is to go farther back in history. Ancient Greek Percy Jackson
is easily extensible and familiar to everyone. Each qualifier added on to the description of a theme is another step to making the theme harder to join in on and harder to find ways to use, and each obscure reference added to a theme just to make it historically accurate bogs it down. This is a theme to set a basis for the development of our identity, not an alternate history roleplay. In the past, when we've adopted extremely specific themes, people have gotten bored quickly once they realize they're stuck within narrow bounds and have to make up everything besides the titles. It needs to be uncontroversial and inoffensive, regardless of cultural background. This is where we've hit a wall with Christian proposals before. In general, the easiest way to be sure you're uncontroversial is to go farther back in history. Ancient Greek Percy Jackson
Legalist Zombal Verified Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 116 Feather ƒ1,283 Nation Marthizer Jan 7, 2019 #4 People can see and recognize Corporate as a theme.
Wycliffe Verified Joined Nov 26, 2018 Messages 18 Feather ƒ1,036 Nation Wycliffe Jan 7, 2019 #5 I strongly support everything Aumelodia has said about an ancient Greek theme. We've spent a good long while developing it as a foundation for our regional culture and identity. We spent a good long time arguing and discussing the merits of a new theme- from Transylvanian vampires to no theme at all. Killer Kitty made a noteworthy point that we're all kind of tired of switching identities like a revolving door until we get it right, desperately chasing the magic the PRL theme gave us in terms of activity. Aumelodia has set out a sensible set of requirements a new theme needs not only to succeed for a few months, but to give us an identity for once in forever. Through many governments and coups, Osiris has always had Egypt, and it has always had a Pharaoh. Lazarus needs a culture and an identity that serves its community beyond the regime flavor of the month or year, something that binds us together as Lazarenes and can't be broken. It's something Osiris and Balder have had relatively clear-cut due to their namesakes- I think it's high time we get one of our own. The key is keeping it general. Most of us in the Discord who talked about it agreed that this isn't just a changing of titles, and it shouldn't be too complex. The Delegate title would most likely be Basileus (or in Imki's case, Basileia or Basilissa), and the legislature would be called an Ecclesia. So those are some ideas to start. For the most part we want to keep it vague. We need our own regional identity, that we can develop organically with the help of cultural influence (such as Hellenic culture), instead of placing ourselves in an inflexible niche like corporations or space cults. I strongly support developing a Greek-inspired culture for Lazarus that can stand the test of time, and gladly volunteer my time and effort to making this an endeavor that will work for our region.
I strongly support everything Aumelodia has said about an ancient Greek theme. We've spent a good long while developing it as a foundation for our regional culture and identity. We spent a good long time arguing and discussing the merits of a new theme- from Transylvanian vampires to no theme at all. Killer Kitty made a noteworthy point that we're all kind of tired of switching identities like a revolving door until we get it right, desperately chasing the magic the PRL theme gave us in terms of activity. Aumelodia has set out a sensible set of requirements a new theme needs not only to succeed for a few months, but to give us an identity for once in forever. Through many governments and coups, Osiris has always had Egypt, and it has always had a Pharaoh. Lazarus needs a culture and an identity that serves its community beyond the regime flavor of the month or year, something that binds us together as Lazarenes and can't be broken. It's something Osiris and Balder have had relatively clear-cut due to their namesakes- I think it's high time we get one of our own. The key is keeping it general. Most of us in the Discord who talked about it agreed that this isn't just a changing of titles, and it shouldn't be too complex. The Delegate title would most likely be Basileus (or in Imki's case, Basileia or Basilissa), and the legislature would be called an Ecclesia. So those are some ideas to start. For the most part we want to keep it vague. We need our own regional identity, that we can develop organically with the help of cultural influence (such as Hellenic culture), instead of placing ourselves in an inflexible niche like corporations or space cults. I strongly support developing a Greek-inspired culture for Lazarus that can stand the test of time, and gladly volunteer my time and effort to making this an endeavor that will work for our region.
Legalist Zombal Verified Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 116 Feather ƒ1,283 Nation Marthizer Jan 7, 2019 #6 We... have that though? I thought we were all behind this corporate theme... thats why I wrote the damn law on it.
We... have that though? I thought we were all behind this corporate theme... thats why I wrote the damn law on it.
Bran Astor Verified Joined Jul 20, 2018 Messages 10 Feather ƒ1,019 Nation British Grand Pacific Jan 7, 2019 #7 Laz'R'Us - whimsy, caprice, and misfit toys LazCorp: Rise of Villains - be bad guys in the style of Lex Luthor and Haliburton Return to Anarchy - it could be that you all simply can't picture a stable Laz without a quarterly upheaval of some kind. Anarchy 2.0, baby!
Laz'R'Us - whimsy, caprice, and misfit toys LazCorp: Rise of Villains - be bad guys in the style of Lex Luthor and Haliburton Return to Anarchy - it could be that you all simply can't picture a stable Laz without a quarterly upheaval of some kind. Anarchy 2.0, baby!
Constie Verified Joined Jun 13, 2018 Messages 152 Feather ƒ1,484 Nation Canton Empire Region Lazarus Jan 8, 2019 #8 I'm really not a fan of an Ancient Greek theme. It feels like an ancient theme just because Osiris and Balder have one. I also thing that the theme wouldn't be engaging in the slightest, as Ancient Greece, without changing the structure, would be boring.
I'm really not a fan of an Ancient Greek theme. It feels like an ancient theme just because Osiris and Balder have one. I also thing that the theme wouldn't be engaging in the slightest, as Ancient Greece, without changing the structure, would be boring.
Amerion Citizen Verified Became a Citizen Citizen 6 Months Citizen 12 Months Joined Jun 13, 2018 Messages 626 Feather ƒ4,126 Nation Lazarene Amerion Jan 8, 2019 #9 Honestly, why do we need this?
Legalist Zombal Verified Joined Jun 28, 2018 Messages 116 Feather ƒ1,283 Nation Marthizer Jan 8, 2019 #10 I think we could think about changing corporate to something like Laz'R'Us yeah I would also support making the theme the official theme in some capacity, such as having the titles move over to the mandate instead of a bill where they are just alternate titles. Making it the official theme not just a "Can be used" thing... but I am also ok with what we have here staying. I don't see a need to change it honestly.
I think we could think about changing corporate to something like Laz'R'Us yeah I would also support making the theme the official theme in some capacity, such as having the titles move over to the mandate instead of a bill where they are just alternate titles. Making it the official theme not just a "Can be used" thing... but I am also ok with what we have here staying. I don't see a need to change it honestly.
Andrew Verified Joined Jun 13, 2018 Messages 6 Feather ƒ1,011 Nation San Andrewa Jan 8, 2019 #11 Ahh I like this theme. But I'll contribute the idea of a medieval kingdom theme if this is a serious consideration. Its more widely known compared to an Ancient Greece, which im not too familiar with.
Ahh I like this theme. But I'll contribute the idea of a medieval kingdom theme if this is a serious consideration. Its more widely known compared to an Ancient Greece, which im not too familiar with.
Cormac Verified Joined Jul 11, 2018 Messages 203 Feather ƒ1,688 Nation Lazmac Region Lazarus Jan 10, 2019 #12 I support the Ancient Greek theme. Whether we go with that or not, I hope we will repeal the Corporate theme. The whole thing is sterile and out of place, even moreso than some of the other really bizarre themes Lazarus has adopted in the past. I could live with Maoism, Confucianism, and Magical Realms, but don't ask me to live with corporations.
I support the Ancient Greek theme. Whether we go with that or not, I hope we will repeal the Corporate theme. The whole thing is sterile and out of place, even moreso than some of the other really bizarre themes Lazarus has adopted in the past. I could live with Maoism, Confucianism, and Magical Realms, but don't ask me to live with corporations.
treadwellia Staff member Hegemon Citizen Resident (Lazarus) Verified Became a Citizen Citizen 6 Months Citizen 12 Months Joined Jul 10, 2018 Messages 637 Feather ƒ2,714 Nation Treadwellia Jan 10, 2019 #13 Medieval kingdom Lazarus sounds fun, but I don't know if we should discard the corporate thing yet. Also, I second the idea that very few know much about ancient Greek stuff outside of mythology. And in really wacky, out there thoughts: human body Lazarus! White Blood Cells for Defenders or Raiders, Delegate is Brain, Vice is Heart, Ministers are Hands or Feet, people are Organs. . . . I am by no means serious about that last idea.
Medieval kingdom Lazarus sounds fun, but I don't know if we should discard the corporate thing yet. Also, I second the idea that very few know much about ancient Greek stuff outside of mythology. And in really wacky, out there thoughts: human body Lazarus! White Blood Cells for Defenders or Raiders, Delegate is Brain, Vice is Heart, Ministers are Hands or Feet, people are Organs. . . . I am by no means serious about that last idea.
Wycliffe Verified Joined Nov 26, 2018 Messages 18 Feather ƒ1,036 Nation Wycliffe Jan 10, 2019 #14 The key for us, what we need, is to be able to take our theme seriously. I don't want to plunge into yet another change that fits the contemporary moods and whims of the people- we were all set to create a gothic vampire theme before the discussion turned to this. It has to be permanent, it has to lay the foundations for our future, it has to give our region a backdrop for our culture.
The key for us, what we need, is to be able to take our theme seriously. I don't want to plunge into yet another change that fits the contemporary moods and whims of the people- we were all set to create a gothic vampire theme before the discussion turned to this. It has to be permanent, it has to lay the foundations for our future, it has to give our region a backdrop for our culture.
Roavin Citizen Verified Became a Citizen Citizen 6 Months Citizen 12 Months Joined Jul 12, 2018 Messages 194 Feather ƒ1,589 Nation Lazarene Roavin Jan 10, 2019 #15 treadwellia;5373 said: And in really wacky, out there thoughts: human body Lazarus! White Blood Cells for Defenders or Raiders, Delegate is Brain, Vice is Heart, Ministers are Hands or Feet, people are Organs. . . . I am by no means serious about that last idea. Click to expand... Shame because I actually like that idea
treadwellia;5373 said: And in really wacky, out there thoughts: human body Lazarus! White Blood Cells for Defenders or Raiders, Delegate is Brain, Vice is Heart, Ministers are Hands or Feet, people are Organs. . . . I am by no means serious about that last idea. Click to expand... Shame because I actually like that idea
Imaginary Verified Joined Jun 14, 2018 Messages 441 Feather ƒ1,952 Nation Your Imaginary Friend Jan 11, 2019 #16 I like the LazCorp theme. :> but whatevs
Aumelodia Verified Joined Jun 12, 2018 Messages 30 Feather ƒ1,085 Nation Aumelodia Jan 12, 2019 #17 No no no no no no no no no... {no
Wycliffe Verified Joined Nov 26, 2018 Messages 18 Feather ƒ1,036 Nation Wycliffe Jan 16, 2019 #18 The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around the idea that we might not want to have an official theme. Placing ourselves in a certain theme is bound to always be unsatisfactory to a solid chunk of the population- most people don't like LazCorp, and of them, they're all divided on what they want to replace it. I think in the long run, we may find more potential to develop our own, unique identity without shoehorning ourselves into a particular set of titles and culture that we may soon grow tired of- as with what happened to the HRL, the CU, the Realms, etc. I would support legislation to give our titles respectable, but thematically neutral names. Things like legislature/congress, Delegate/Queen/Lord/Lady, High Court, etc. My first thought is that LazCorp should go. And as much as I dig the ancient Greek idea, and I do think we can make that work, I'm inclined to believe we'll end up better off in the long run if we develop it without an official rule enforcing it.
The more I think about it, the more I'm coming around the idea that we might not want to have an official theme. Placing ourselves in a certain theme is bound to always be unsatisfactory to a solid chunk of the population- most people don't like LazCorp, and of them, they're all divided on what they want to replace it. I think in the long run, we may find more potential to develop our own, unique identity without shoehorning ourselves into a particular set of titles and culture that we may soon grow tired of- as with what happened to the HRL, the CU, the Realms, etc. I would support legislation to give our titles respectable, but thematically neutral names. Things like legislature/congress, Delegate/Queen/Lord/Lady, High Court, etc. My first thought is that LazCorp should go. And as much as I dig the ancient Greek idea, and I do think we can make that work, I'm inclined to believe we'll end up better off in the long run if we develop it without an official rule enforcing it.
Arlo Verified Joined Jun 13, 2018 Messages 92 Feather ƒ1,214 Nation Arlo Region Lazarus Jan 22, 2019 #19 At the end of the day I don't really care what the theme is. Lazcorp is fun, though it feels to me like it works better as a meme and informal theme than an actual regional identity. I generally think Lazarus has historically approached theming wrong. Stop trying to impose a strict theme from the top down where everything is already decided -- and let one evolve on its own from interactions within the community. Other regions have very loose theming -- while Laz tends to take it a bit too far. Just my cents.
At the end of the day I don't really care what the theme is. Lazcorp is fun, though it feels to me like it works better as a meme and informal theme than an actual regional identity. I generally think Lazarus has historically approached theming wrong. Stop trying to impose a strict theme from the top down where everything is already decided -- and let one evolve on its own from interactions within the community. Other regions have very loose theming -- while Laz tends to take it a bit too far. Just my cents.
New Rogernomics Staff member First Citizen (PM) Herald D. Epistates Epilektoi (CLS) Citizen Resident (Lazarus) Verified Citizen 12 Months Citizen 6 Months Became a Citizen Holy Knight Joined Jun 12, 2018 Messages 3,003 Feather ƒ4,525 Nation New Rogernomics Region Lazarus Jan 23, 2019 #20 Arlo;5464 said: At the end of the day I don't really care what the theme is. Lazcorp is fun, though it feels to me like it works better as a meme and informal theme than an actual regional identity. I generally think Lazarus has historically approached theming wrong. Stop trying to impose a strict theme from the top down where everything is already decided -- and let one evolve on its own from interactions within the community. Other regions have very loose theming -- while Laz tends to take it a bit too far. Just my cents. Click to expand... Theming is only an issue when it changes the government functions, and all the themes thus far have just changed the titles. LazCorp is only corporate imagery and a little bit of roleplay if people want to, which is why Lazarus can afford to be apathetic on LazCorp.
Arlo;5464 said: At the end of the day I don't really care what the theme is. Lazcorp is fun, though it feels to me like it works better as a meme and informal theme than an actual regional identity. I generally think Lazarus has historically approached theming wrong. Stop trying to impose a strict theme from the top down where everything is already decided -- and let one evolve on its own from interactions within the community. Other regions have very loose theming -- while Laz tends to take it a bit too far. Just my cents. Click to expand... Theming is only an issue when it changes the government functions, and all the themes thus far have just changed the titles. LazCorp is only corporate imagery and a little bit of roleplay if people want to, which is why Lazarus can afford to be apathetic on LazCorp.