Roavin;5427 Wrote:Only thing I'd note: 4.3 is worded in an awkward manner.I support this treaty overall, but I can't support 4(3) regardless of its wording. The Pan-Sinker Security Pact had provisions that required the other signatories to take legal action against their citizens for participating in coups against the other signatories, and those provisions were ultimately what led to the unraveling of the PSSP and a lot of animosity between Balder and Osiris on the one hand and Lazarus and the Rejected Realms on the other. Since then, I've consistently opposed any provisions like those, because it's my firm belief a community will simply end a treaty before they will get rid of community members they like and value for something they did to another region, even an ally. I think that's asking too much. So I am against 4(3), and I won't be able to vote for this treaty if that wording remains in it. I think a provision like 4(3) is a poison pill (even if unintentional, as I'm sure was the case here) that seals the eventual destruction of an alliance from the beginning. I hope we'll just decide to remove that wording, because otherwise I have no issues.
Atlantica;5430 Wrote:I am fully supportive of this treaty, and intend to vote to ratify it when the time comes. That being said, however, I'm concerned that §2.3 of the Treaty, by proscribing mutual military operations, could potentially undermine the neutral foundation of the Lazarene Regional Guard as prescribed in §1.1 and §2.3 of the Lazarene Regional Guard. To that effect, I'd urge the Lazarene Government to consider approaching the Osiran Government about slightly amending §2.3 to say something to the effect of: "Notwithstanding both regions' domestic and constitutional legislation, and if planned and agreed upon by the governments and militaries of both signatories..."I don't think this is actually an issue, though I appreciate and understand the desire for an abundance of caution. The treaty's wording says such operations must be "planned and agreed upon by the governments and military forces of both signatories" -- our government and military force can't plan and agree upon a military operation that violates the Charter of the Lazarene Regional Guard. So since our government and military force literally can't plan and agree upon an illegal military operation, there can never be a case that there is a military operation under this treaty that would contradict the law.
Cormac Skollvaldr
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