Discussion World Assembly Act

[Apatosaurus]

With the discussion about the WA, came up with this to clarify how Lazarus votes in the WA, and the creation of a WA ministry.

World Assembly Act (2021)

Preamble

This act will clarify Lazarus' participation in the World Assembly, and the operation of a World Assembly Ministry.

Section 1. World Assembly Ministry

(1) The World Assembly Ministry shall be headed by a Director, and bound by all other existing laws regulating the position.
(2) The World Assembly Ministry shall be responsible for holding votes and publishing voting recommendations on World Assembly proposals and resolutions.

Section 2. Voting

(1) Votes for World Assembly resolutions must take place in a space available to all Citizens of Lazarus at the discretion of the World Assembly Director.
(2) The Prime Minister and/or Delegate have to power to override the results of the public vote for a Security Council resolution.
(3) The Prime Minister may petition the Delegate to vote a certain way in a Security Council Resolution.

 

[New Rogernomics]

I disagree with 3 (1), as that would be taken to imply if the Cabinet doesn't make their opinion known i.e. abstains by default, that the Delegate can't vote, even for the GA. Realistically the Assembly would have to recall the Cabinet to enforce the principle of the region having a say on every SC and GA vote, or WA proposal.

Any act should make clear that where the Cabinet decides to go with no opinion, or otherwise fail in their duties, that the Delegate can then just vote with their conscience for proposals or with the region WA votes.

 

[Apatosaurus]

I disagree with 3 (1), as that would be taken to imply if the Cabinet doesn't make their opinion known i.e. abstains by default, that the Delegate can't vote, even for the GA. Realistically the Assembly would have to recall the Cabinet to enforce the principle of the region having a say on every SC and GA vote, or WA proposal.

If the Cabinet abstains, it'll go to a usual vote with citizens and WA residents
EDIT: If you mean the WA ministry fails to make a recommendation, then it's their fault and they should get recalled as that's irresponsible, but I'll add that in.

 

[New Rogernomics]

If the Cabinet abstains, it'll go to a usual vote with citizens and WA residents

They abstain when they refuse to put forward an opinion or abstain basically.

 

[New Rogernomics]

I would disagree as 3 (2) as well, as that would mean even proposals rejected by the Cabinet and/or the assembly would have to be approved.

 

[New Rogernomics]

If the Cabinet abstains, it'll go to a usual vote with citizens and WA residents
EDIT: If you mean the WA ministry fails to make a recommendation, then it's their fault and they should get recalled as that's irresponsible, but I'll add that in.

I am a realist, so I think they will miss at least one due to RL/other considerations. So if the Delegate can just vote with the region/make a judgement for those times, it works out.

 

[Constie]

I don’t know if we have the staff and membership to sustain a World Assembly Office like that.

 

[Apatosaurus]

I am a realist, so I think they will miss at least one due to RL/other considerations. So if the Delegate can just vote with the region/make a judgement for those times, it works out.

What would happen if after, say, 1 day if the cabinet doesn't object then it'll go straight to vote?

 

[New Rogernomics]

What would happen if after, say, 1 day if the cabinet doesn't object then it'll go straight to vote?

Well, there four considerations here:

• There are GA proposals, which are being requested to be put into quorum, so they can be voted on by NS as a whole
• There are SC proposals, which are being requested to be put into quorum, so they can be voted on by NS as a whole
• There are GA proposals, that have reached quorum and are now are vote
• There are SC proposals, that have reached quorum and are now are vote

Firstly, for the first two types, I doubt there would be enough time in all cases to get enough of an agreement in the Assembly, but is possible to get an assessment from the Cabinet, or the Delegate. I think that if Cabinet has failed to make a decision within a few days of it being posted, I don't think there is a lot of harm in the Delegate making a judgement here, as it is just a vote to get it put to a full vote - not a vote on whether it should pass at the full vote stage.

Secondly, for the second types, there is plenty of time technically to get an assessment from the assembly and cabinet, as there is the time from when a SC or GA proposal is lodged to meet quorum, to when it goes to a full vote. I think that if Cabinet has failed to make a decision by day three for these, then the Delegate should just vote as they want to vote i.e. which is normally with the region vote.

Note: Obviously I've simplified the term to proposals here.

 

[Apatosaurus]

Yeah, after discussing with NR on the Discord now made it so that recommendations published by the Ministry are non-binding.

 

[McChimp]

The cabinet should be able to make a recommendation on SC proposals without an assembly vote if it chooses to.

This last bit about the Delegate being "strongly encouraged" should be removed. Laws don't encourage.

 

[Deleted1]

Why does it need to be a public space?

 

[Apatosaurus]

The cabinet should be able to make a recommendation on SC proposals without an assembly vote if it chooses to.

This last bit about the Delegate being "strongly encouraged" should be removed. Laws don't encourage.

The Prime Minister and/or Delegate have to power to override the results of the public vote for a Security Council resolution, and/or petition the Delegate to vote a certain way in a Security Council Resolution.

Added this, the final bit about being "strongly encouraged" is gone.

Why does it need to be a public space?

Because that's how lots of other regions like TSP, TRR and TNP do it and it's generally better to have transparency in these things, especially GA. I can, however, be convinced otherwise for SC.

 

[Deleted1]

Added this, the final bit about being "strongly encouraged" is gone.

Because that's how lots of other regions like TSP, TRR and TNP do it and it's generally better to have transparency in these things, especially GA. I can, however, be convinced otherwise for SC.

It should be private, both chambers. I don't care what the other regions do. Transparency only helps foreigners in this case, and discourages the region from having more open discussions.

 

[Apatosaurus]

It should be private, both chambers. I don't care what the other regions do. Transparency only helps foreigners in this case, and discourages the region from having more open discussions.

While I'm still convinced it should be public, I changed it so that it's up to the WA Director whether it's public/private etc.

 

[Deleted1]

I support that.

 

[moe]

If the ultimate voting authority lies with the delegate, then I think we can streamline the last bit so that the delegate can override the vote. I don't see why I would need that power if in the end the delegate would be the one with the final say.

Also, I'm not convinced that this position would require a separate director. Last time I had trouble filling all four spots, this additional mandated position would make things even harder if I wasn't able to find someone.

Sorry for coming to the discussion late, just my 2 cents.

 

[Apatosaurus]

If the ultimate voting authority lies with the delegate, then I think we can streamline the last bit so that the delegate can override the vote. I don't see why I would need that power if in the end the delegate would be the one with the final say.

Also, I'm not convinced that this position would require a separate director. Last time I had trouble filling all four spots, this additional mandated position would make things even harder if I wasn't able to find someone.

Sorry for coming to the discussion late, just my 2 cents.

That bit has been split so as to clarify that.

 

[Apatosaurus]

Bump

Regarding Moe and Constie's feedback, I made it so that the WA Ministry is headed by a World Assembly officer, not a Director, which can hold other government positions in Lazarus so that staffing problems won't happen.

EDIT: Apparently that'd contradict with the mandate so it's back to a Director

 

[Deleted1]

Should the law include that the PM has to appoint this minister like the citizenship minister?