Discussion World Assembly Act

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Section 2. Voting

(1) Votes for World Assembly resolutions must take place in a space available to all Citizens of Lazarus at the discretion of the World Assembly Director.
(2) The Prime Minister or the Assembly may petition the Delegate to vote a certain way on a General Assembly or Security Council Resolution.
(3) The Delegate as advised by the Prime Minister has the power to override the results of the public vote for a World Assembly resolution.

Because this assumes that no vote happens in a vacuum i.e. the PM is going to have the option to petition (or failing that, advise) regardless.

The Assembly/PM also has no in-game ability to vote for/against a resolution i.e. the Delegate is the one who can vote, and the constitution does not provide the authority for the Assembly to overturn (or overrule) any WA vote (in-game power) of the Delegate, so the language should make clear that this is an advisory or petition. Otherwise this would have to be a constitutional amendment, as it would be taking powers implied to exist with the Delegacy away from it.

This would also be a mess otherwise from an in-game standpoint, as if the Assembly/PM doesn't get back to the Delegate, it would not a good look in terms of how the region has not voted in-game1, so regardless of how this takes shape, it should provide for both the GA and SC resolution votes to be overridden by the Delegate1.
1: The act of the Assembly or PM not voting is abstaining or failing to form an opinion, and if the Delegate is required by law to get that opinion from off-site officials/bodies, they are then unable to vote with the in-game vote even if there is a vast majority voting yes or no on something.​

 

[Domais]

This is my two cents. The idea of expressly defining a WA Ministery is really stupid. IMO. Only the Regional Guard is expressly defined. Not even the Foreign Ministry is defined in the law. Which is a more important ministry. I'm glad, though, that this proposal does not include mandating that the Prime Minister has to appoint a minister as the Guard law does.

(1) Votes for World Assembly resolutions must take place in a space available to all Citizens of Lazarus at the discretion of the World Assembly Director.
(2) The Prime Minister and/or Delegate have to power to override the results of the public vote for a Security Council resolution.
(3) The Prime Minister may petition the Delegate to vote a certain way in a Security Council Resolution.

1: First thing, do not use "Director" in a law. Because "Director" is not a thing in Lazarene law, it's Cabinet Minister. Secondly, no one is going to vote on these votes. Well, maybe one or two people. But that is it. Have you seen how inactive our region is? I have a better idea; just look at how people are voting and have the delegate vote that way.
2: What is the point of having a vote for SC resolutions then? I mean if we can just override the democratic will of the region, then why have this kind of direct democracy in the first place? Yes, I understand this is so we do not vote for stupid things that make us look bad. But, if the PM or Delegate can just override it then why not just have them vote the way they want and skip having a democratic vote.
3: Why is this in the law? I mean I can petition anyone for anything. I don't think this needs to be here.

 

[Apatosaurus]

1: First thing, do not use "Director" in a law. Because "Director" is not a thing in Lazarene law, it's Cabinet Minister.

Fixed.

Secondly, no one is going to vote on these votes. Well, maybe one or two people. But that is it. Have you seen how inactive our region is? I have a better idea; just look at how people are voting and have the delegate vote that way.

I mean, if there's no vote, can't the Delegate just vote how they want and/or with the in-game vote?

2: What is the point of having a vote for SC resolutions then? I mean if we can just override the democratic will of the region, then why have this kind of direct democracy in the first place? Yes, I understand this is so we do not vote for stupid things that make us look bad. But, if the PM or Delegate can just override it then why not just have them vote the way they want and skip having a democratic vote.

The mechanism is only required in rare situations where it would be an FA problem to vote a certain way, but in most cases the vote would be followed.

3: Why is this in the law? I mean I can petition anyone for anything. I don't think this needs to be here.

Yeah, as per what NR said I also removed that.

Because this assumes that no vote happens in a vacuum i.e. the PM is going to have the option to petition (or failing that, advise) regardless.

The Assembly/PM also has no in-game ability to vote for/against a resolution i.e. the Delegate is the one who can vote, and the constitution does not provide the authority for the Assembly to overturn (or overrule) any WA vote (in-game power) of the Delegate, so the language should make clear that this is an advisory or petition. Otherwise this would have to be a constitutional amendment, as it would be taking powers implied to exist with the Delegacy away from it.

That's been removed as per ^

This would also be a mess otherwise from an in-game standpoint, as if the Assembly/PM doesn't get back to the Delegate, it would not a good look in terms of how the region has not voted in-game1, so regardless of how this takes shape, it should provide for both the GA and SC resolution votes to be overridden by the Delegate1.
1: The act of the Assembly or PM not voting is abstaining or failing to form an opinion, and if the Delegate is required by law to get that opinion from off-site officials/bodies, they are then unable to vote with the in-game vote even if there is a vast majority voting yes or no on something.​

Wouldn't they be able to just vote on conscience or use the in-game Lazarus vote?

 

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2: What is the point of having a vote for SC resolutions then? I mean if we can just override the democratic will of the region, then why have this kind of direct democracy in the first place? Yes, I understand this is so we do not vote for stupid things that make us look bad. But, if the PM or Delegate can just override it then why not just have them vote the way they want and skip having a democratic vote.

Even TSP, arguably the more democratic of the two regions, which elects its Delegate as well as its PM, does it this way.

In our region, the PM controls the Cabinet, so if there is going to be a WA Ministry, then they'll be the one if the final decision has to be made over something like overriding a vote. Don't like how they did so, recall them or vote for a new PM, is at least how democracies tend to settle that.

As far as the Delegate is concerned, the Delegate is also advised by the PM on other regional decisions and appointments, and issues haven't arisen with that arrangement. That has served us well so far, with issues like the Guard and in-game actions.

Edit: Also in-game powers are the closest thing to executive power for the Delegate, which normally never rests with the legislature but the head of government/head of state of the region.