Leaving the APC

[whatermelons]

Before I propose an official discussion for withdrawal of the APC, I'd like to know what the current consensus regarding the treaty is, and how we move forward. I encourage people here to post their thoughts regarding:

1. Withdrawing from the APC
2. Allowing current or former members of the NPO to attain citizenship
3. Anything else relevant

Thank you!

[joWhatup]

1) The treaty costs nothing to maintain, is there a specific reason to repeal it?
2) I am hesitant here. I think I’d be opposed at the moment, though.

[New Rogernomics]

2. Allowing current or former members of the NPO to attain citizenship

There are a few that the CLS is likely going to keep a ban on: Aleisyr, Pergamon, Svezjacael, Stujenske, and Feux

Which are mentioned here: https://nslazarus.com/showthread.php?tid=453

The rest would be case by case.

[treadwellia]

1. Withdrawing from the APC
2. Allowing current or former members of the NPO to attain citizenship
3. Anything else relevant

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1. Only if we could prove beyond a doubt that we wouldn't get stabbed in the back after doing so. It's easy to be on friendly terms with individuals, but what about the temperament of the region as a whole? Can the majority of people, especially those in power, be trusted?
2. I'd have to agree with NR on this one. There are average Joes and Janes who have nothing to do with any of the mess. Then there are the real troublemakers likely to instigate stuff.

[Debussy]

1. If there isn't an alliance anymore, and we are the only member of significants, I'd support leaving the treaty.

2. Let's use the Hostile Entities and Persons Act to ban all current members. Like Roger suggested, former members can be done case by case.

[whatermelons]

1) The treaty costs nothing to maintain, is there a specific reason to repeal it?
2) I am hesitant here. I think I’d be opposed at the moment, though.

The APC treaty says:

The signatories will not maintain diplomatic, military, or cultural relations of any kind with the Pacific while it is governed by the New Pacific Order or any successor regime sanctioned by the New Pacific Order.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to negotiate an armistice with NPO (campaign promise) we'll have to do what is prohibited above. So we have to repeal the treaty.

[Frankender]

Can anyone tell me any benefits to leaving the treaty?

[New Rogernomics]

It might sense to discuss treaties and potential diplomatic relations with regions like the NPO, after a vote has been held on ending on the war.

Then the region can go from there on how willing the region is to end the APC treaty. That is if the region wants diplomatic relations with the NPO at all after the war has ended of course.

Problem some might have with discussing it now is that we are still at war with the NPO, and as joWhatup mentioned it doesn't really cost us anything to continue it right now.

[Domais]

End of the war, the end of the treaty comes forthwith.

[whatermelons]

Would people here would prefer to vote to end the war before we discuss all of this?