[Discussion] Appointments (July 2019)

[joWhatup]

So if for example Osiris do another Politics Amino, will we assist in their destruction?

Also I don't really like the examples of operations that could happen under Pi:

1) nothing at all
2) "anti-fascist" operations that are non ANTIFA (aka jokes of operations)
3) changing the law and bascially being a puppet military due to you already being commander of Hartfelden

Also other reasons are making me vote against

I, of course, can not speak for LZ, but I would disagree that non Antifa anti-fascist operations are jokes; with the aid of our allies, we could lead considerable anti-fascist operations. I would also disagree that being founder of an Imperialist region means you automatically transform the military into a puppet military: conflict of interest is a thing, yes, but I trust LZ to be loyal to Lazarus in the first place. And otherwise, we can always recall.

[Wymondham]

Full support for Atlantica, I know he's qualified.

I'm skeptical about Wym for a variety of reasons, and have a few questions:
(1) Can you elaborate on the kinds of positions you've held before here or abroad, and how they would impact your role as an impartial and nonpolitical justice?
(2) What issues should be considered when deciding whether or not to recuse from a case?
(3) Would you recuse if there was a legal question surrounding your own appointment?
(4) In your view, what roles do the letter of the law, the spirit of the law, and customary application of the law each have in judicial interpretation, and with respect to each other?
(5) Former Delegate Imki gave a very neutral speech in this thread; your reply, however, makes it seem like you didn't really read the speech at all and instead just characterized it in line with your personal viewpoint at that time. This concerns me, as it's important for a justice to be able to read and comprehend a text without letting personal biases affect the interpretation of that text. Can you clarify your interpretation of Imki's post and the intent of your reply?

LZ should be okayish for Regional Guard. I disagree with the notion that the RG should expand its mission. I'm still unsure whether to support or not.

Full support for John Laurens. He's a bit naive at times, but better than it has been, plus he's been in and around Laz for years.

(1)I am currently PR director at NSToday, Prime Yogi(Speaker of the assembly) in Karma, Tribune of Public Affairs(Internal management) in EMN and a Preist in Osiris. In the past I have served as Chief Scribe of Osiris for a year, the longest anyone has ever held a head of the legislature post in Osiris, as a Deputy Scribe in Osiris for a cumulative term of around 9 months, as a Field Commander of the Sekhmet Legion and as a law clerk in Europeia. The only potential conflicts of interest I see there are if an issue with Osiris came up in which case I give my word I would recuse myself from the case.
(2) The first thing you must decide on whether to recuse yourself is whether or not you have a conflict of interest with the case. For example if it is about a matter you have a vested interest in or affects another region you are apart of. If you have a conflict of interest you must recuse yourself. The other issue you must consider is how will recusing yourself affect the case. Recusing oneself is a complex decision to make and there any many different factors that can feed into such a decision.
(3)I most definitely would, it would be improper for any justice to preside over a case where said case concerned their ability to hold the office
(4) I feel the most important aspect of the law is the letter of it. If the law says you cannot do something, you cannot do it, it is that simple. If people feel that the law shouldn't say that then that is an issue for the assembly to handle. However it is not the palce of the Court to simply change what the law says by simply ignoring what the law says. I think the spirit and context of the law is also important, for example a law written for a situation that no longer exists that is being applied in a situation it was never intended to be applied to should most likely be taken in its original context and spirit and the situation struck down. I feel that the customary application of the law is the least important of the three. If the letter of the law says you cannot do something and the law was not meant to be applied in a situation then the fact that the situation has customarily occurred is of no importance as it has always violated the letter and spirit of the law. We must not let custom override the letter and spirit of the law. Just because something has always been done a particular way does not mean it is correct. In summary I feel that Grammatical interpretation must take priority over teleological interpretation which in turn must take priority over Historical interpretation. I also feel that Systematic Interpretation, the idea that the laws should be interpreted in a manner which, within the possibilities provided by the grammatical interpretation of the text, is in line with other laws on the same subject, comes after Teleological interpretation but before historical interpretation in my order of how important different methods of interpretation of laws are.
(5)The first thing one must note about my reply was that it was given at 8.19 AM on a school day, school starts are 8.30 for me. Most likely what occurred there was I was in a rush to get to a maths exam and whilst checking my phone saw Imki's reply, skipped to the end of it and, with influence by my own opinions, took it to mean that Imki was pro war with the NPO. Having read the speech fully I realise that what Imki was actually saying was, "me and Tubbius don't feel that it is appropriate to take Lazarus into a war with the NPO, especially with the community divided as to the correct course of action, of our own accord. So here are the facts, can you please discuss them and vote on whether we should go to war". This was most uncharacteristic of me and an indication of why one should read everything in its full context before skipping to the end, which is a bad habit I must confess I was particularly susceptible to. The reply was a rushed attempt to say something without actually reading what I was replying to and I assure you all I have changed a lot since then, namely I no longer reply to threads without first reading what I am replying to.
I hope that assuages any doubts you may have about my suitability for this role.

[whatermelons]

Its just bullshit. The only point of doing those ops is to assert dominance and not having to go through guidelines of Antifa who do things proffesionally. Also I do not doubt it will turn into basically doing ops for Hartfelden. He has experience yes, but I don't turst his professionalism or loyalty. Also I'm talking about the part where the region was destroyed, not the RMB part.

[Legalist Zombal]

By expanding I think I would likely focus a lot more on doing smaller things. I would do my best, with the votes of my fellow Shareholders, to discuss and figure out how exactly we wish to stand on GP.

I am still horrible with myBB forums, but @"whatermelons" I find it not only insulting that you would even attempt to accuse me of using Lazarus for my gain, but find it wholly inaccurate and ridiculous. Hartfelden will not be an issue with any conflicts.

Non-AntiFa Operations are not jokes. With the aid of our allies, such as Osiris, we can easily lead those raids and liberations (liberating against nazi raids ofc)

Again, it would be an open citizen discussion about us piling for liberations/raids as well as chasing/tagging/detagging. I will not try and do anything with the Guard against the law, and I will not try and force any of my own ideals on how the Guard operates. I will adapt to however the Shareholders wish to have the Guard operate (in a sense of what we actually do, and what we can't do as to keep us unaligned or aligned to a certain side etc) and I will always do so to the best of my ability, as I always have.

[McChimp]

My plans would include a few minor law changes allowing us to work with our allies in their general operations, I would do my best to keep the guard active and aim to strengthen it's forces as to bring Lazarus a larger role in the GP community.

Could you clarify what you mean by "general operations"? Do you mean R/D?

[Legalist Zombal]

My plans would include a few minor law changes allowing us to work with our allies in their general operations, I would do my best to keep the guard active and aim to strengthen it's forces as to bring Lazarus a larger role in the GP community.

Could you clarify what you mean by "general operations"? Do you mean R/D?

Yes. My plans generally include doing any and all operations as possible under current law. I would discuss with Shareholders about my ideas of doing things such as tags/detags/chasing with our allies or by ourselves. I will, of course, follow how we Shareholders as a majority vote on the matters. I want to find out how Lazarus itself wants it's military to operate and I will then operate in that fashion to the best of my ability.

[Wymondham]

Its just bullshit. The only point of doing those ops is to assert dominance and not having to go through guidelines of Antifa who do things proffesionally. Also I do not doubt it will turn into basically doing ops for Hartfelden. He has experience yes, but I don't turst his professionalism or loyalty. Also I'm talking about the part where the region was destroyed, not the RMB part.

Personally Melons, I think it is at best rude to accuse another citizen of intending to turn the Lazarene military into a puppet with no proof and your attitude to non ANTIFA ops is quite frankly baffling. There are other ways of doing Anti-fascist stuff on NS without partnering with an organisation which contains a region we are at war with

[whatermelons]

There is a reason why youwouldnt do an op with Antifa. It is either you sont want to work with communists which is ideology based and has no place in Lazarus or you dont want to follow Antifa's specific rules to not trigger fascists and unleash a flurry of hate, which is why Anti-Fascism exists...

[whatermelons]

When I mwant by that I meant the ops we's be doing are ops with Hartfelden. Also the NPO are not members, just participants

[Legalist Zombal]

Well first of all, as far as I am aware there are no official ties between Hartfelden and Lazarus and therefore I would see no reason to work with Hartfelden's military. I would focus on working with those closer to us, I am thinking Osiris though I will speak to Ryccia about our affairs first to freshen up.

Secondly, the NPO and Lazarus are literally at war. I do not believe we legally can work with them (Will check in a moment, need more coffee) and I have never once commented on communism nor has the ideology of communism ever been a reason to not work with a region, the actions of members of certain communist regions certainly has... however I would extend the same treatment if they were imperialist, raider, defender, democratic or anything else.

Once again I will reiterate that all of my decisions will be made in full following of the law as well as opening discussions about the laws to see how Lazarus wants to move forward in the R/D world.

I will not reply here for a while, please ping in discord if you need me to reply urgently.