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Lazarene Regional Guard Amendment (2020)
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joWhatup;8201 Wrote:
Roavin;8200 Wrote:Then the whole NPO war started. Quite a few advised against it, and Imki gave all of us a very frank and honest view and prediction of what either choice would entail, but most just ignored all of that because the "NPO Delenda Est" propaganda from outside struck Lazarus deep.
Quite a few, Roavin? You mean you, Arlo and Guinness Freaks.

You forgot Ryccia opposing it directly, plus New Rogernomics listing the cons and voting abstain, plus probably more if I bothered to go digging on Discord.


joWhatup;8201 Wrote:
Quote:So, to recap: Lazarus, starting with Mandate 12, intentionally did not have a military. That principle was broken due to outside propaganda that led to Lazarus declaring war, a war that more and more Lazarenes now want to get out of. Already we've gotten on the slippery slope, and now we're talking about letting go and sliding further down. Why? Why in [violet]'s name would we do this to ourselves?
You seem to completely ignore what the NPO was attempting to do and the reasons we declared war. You did that during the war, and that trend still continues.

[citation needed]

What I did then and still do now is correct the mischaracterizations that crept in during the anti-NPO hype, for example the repeated assertion that Adytus was ordered into Lazarus during Anarchy Week by NPO when in fact the receipts exist that clearly falsify that. I never said that NPO was correct in what it was doing.

The truth matters, particularly when making a decision as important as declaring war on a formidable enemy and forming a military when it had been deliberately decided half a year prior to not form a military. That my efforts to have Lazarenes operate on the facts of the matter have resulted in labeling me as some sort of NPO sycophant is disappointing, but given the deliberate hype fomented primarily from outside of Lazarus that drove that hype is, unfortunately, not surprising.

joWhatup;8201 Wrote:In regards to your concerns about people messing with us or why we believe this would help us, I agree with "Assholes will be assholes" and your reasoning of "Activity. Excitement", as you have said yourself.

Do you care to explain how my arguments for having a stable, culturally defender-leaning feeder align itself as defender have anything to do with the discussion about having a R/D military in a culturally mixed sinker that had its sovereignty violated repeatedly by all sides in the past decade?

Debussy;8202 Wrote:The way Jo's and Wymondham's cross-membership in dedicated R/D regions has been pointed out would make people think its very disagreeable. It hasn't made me want to open that door. I would rather do what I can at home.
Debussy;8204 Wrote:I deliberately used the word disagreeable because I did not want to make a claim of treason or subversion. I am not insinuating you did that either. I am saying problems can arise, such as Wymondham's responsibility as an Osiran, or Jo's as a Khan, as you pointed out. From my perspective, it seems better to avoid the entanglement.

I understand your argument, though I would argue that it's not generally disagreeable, particularly so given McChimp's clarification.


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RE: Lazarene Regional Guard Amendment (2020) Discussion - by Roavin - 01-27-2020, 07:39 PM

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