09-10-2018, 02:00 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-10-2018, 02:23 PM by New Rogernomics.)
Mysterious Player;3318 Wrote:Yep. Bans by off-site forum administration shouldn't be open to appeal. Rather the Delegate, the Courts, and Off-Site Forum Administration should discuss together around whether a ban should be reviewed or revisited.Amerion;3287 Wrote:I have updated the bill in the above post.
As I don't think it is full-proof yet, I'm going to leave it open to discussion for an indefinite period.
I'm unsure whether the denial of citizenship applications by off-site forum administration should be open to appeal (to the Courts) so I'm curious to hear what everyone thinks.
I don't think it should be, since the Courts are an IC entity, so they shouldn't be for OOC offenses. I don't see the need to allow appeals for bans from off-site administration.
If denial of citizenship by Off-Site Administration were to become beholden to the Courts and the Assembly entirely, it would create plenty of new problems such as:
- Political Bias, if Off-Site Administration is part of In Character political institutions. As it becomes much more prone to bias, due to it's reliance on those institutions and the people in them to hold power. Essentially Off-Site Administration could become a tool of a political administration, rather than an apolitical body that only intervenes when OOC issues arise.
- Requirement for all admin bans to become a court case, as admin bans would have no legal standing. I mentioned earlier that were Off-Site Administration bans to be able to be appealed, then any decision would be temporary, meaning if Llamas were to be appeal, there would be no legal basis to stop that appeal, unless formal court charges were laid, and Llamas was found guilty of a high IC and/or OOC crime. While it is true that in Llamas case, the Assembly would not approve Llamas citizenship and that it is unlikely Llamas would come back, it does hypothetically make admin bans a temporary measure party to popular vote.
- Possible requirement to file a court charge, in order to conduct minor admin tasks, such as banning spammers, warning forum accounts, and so on.
Some regions also institute a policy that restricts Off-Site Administration from holding some major political roles, in order to reduce the likelihood that Off-Site Administration becomes politicized. I don't have a problem with that on principle.
Though, on a final note, I should express that Off-Site Administration generally should try to avoid weighing into IC issues.
Generally, I'd think procedure wise, Off-Site Administration would in most situations only act to:
- Permanent ban spammers trying to sell their Off-Site products.
- Remove sexually implicit content, and prevent further posting of it.
- Ban or remove spammers advertising their regions, if a Discord admin.
- Hide/Limit posting of blatant trolling and harassment (especially sexual harassment).
PS: This is a bit TL;DR, but essentially it can be summed up as, if an issue arises Off-Site Administration will act to fix it, in most cases out-of court discussions on bans are more likely and realistic, than a court case decision for every Off-Site Administration ban.