Archived/Tabled Are citizens admitted by an unconfirmed granting official valid?

[Frankender]

These citizens were admitted by Domais, who was not confirmed as a granting official. Therefore, these citizenship applications should be null:

Shareholder Application Form: PlayerZeroFour#6019

What is your nation in Lazarus? Free Market Buisnesses Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Free Market Buisnesses Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? Immolate, Varkedemont...

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Shareholder Application Form: raeeeeef

What is your nation in Lazarus? Maldivess Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Maldivess Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? Kayi Tribes Do you have any other Nationstates...

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Shareholder Application Form: New Asardia

What is your nation in Lazarus? New Asardia Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? New Asardia Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) No Do you have any other Nationstates Identities? No Have you been...

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Shareholder Application Form: DjinnHunterX

What is your nation in Lazarus? Epicuria Libertaria Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Epicuria Libertaria Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? I have an old nation called...

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Furthermore, these applications were denied:

Citizenship Application Rejected - Shareholder Application Form: Pathoal

What is your nation in Lazarus? Lazarene Pathoal Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Pathoal EF Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? King Rainbow Cat Pathoal Comfed Do you...

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Citizenship Application Rejected - Shareholder Application Form: Fochilandia

What is your nation in Lazarus? Fochilandia Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Na Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) No Do you have any other Nationstates Identities? No Have you been accused of...

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Are these approvals/denials valid?


Therefore, should granting officials wait to be confirmed before "recommending" applications?

 

[Domais]

These citizens were admitted by Domais, who was not confirmed as a granting official. Therefore, these citizenship applications should be null:

Shareholder Application Form: PlayerZeroFour#6019

What is your nation in Lazarus? Free Market Buisnesses Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Free Market Buisnesses Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? Immolate, Varkedemont...

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Shareholder Application Form: raeeeeef

What is your nation in Lazarus? Maldivess Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Maldivess Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? Kayi Tribes Do you have any other Nationstates...

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Shareholder Application Form: New Asardia

What is your nation in Lazarus? New Asardia Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? New Asardia Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) No Do you have any other Nationstates Identities? No Have you been...

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Shareholder Application Form: DjinnHunterX

What is your nation in Lazarus? Epicuria Libertaria Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Epicuria Libertaria Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? I have an old nation called...

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Furthermore, these applications were denied:

Citizenship Application Rejected - Shareholder Application Form: Pathoal

What is your nation in Lazarus? Lazarene Pathoal Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Pathoal EF Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) Yes If so, what are they? King Rainbow Cat Pathoal Comfed Do you...

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Citizenship Application Rejected - Shareholder Application Form: Fochilandia

What is your nation in Lazarus? Fochilandia Are you using a blacklisted IP/Proxy address to submit this application? No What is your World Assembly (WA) nation? Na Do you have any other nations? (Yes/No) No Do you have any other Nationstates Identities? No Have you been accused of...

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Are these approvals/denials valid?


Therefore, should granting officials wait to be confirmed before "recommending" applications?

"(5) Appointed government officials who are subject to confirmation by the Assembly may serve on a provisional basis unless and until their confirmations are rejected by the Assembly."

Therefore, the recommendations are valid on a provisional basis still have full merit in the law otherwise there is no point in serving on a provisional basis.

 

[Frankender]

Certainly. Then I frame the question to the court as follows:

Do nominated ministers have full power over their jurisdiction (once nominated) until the confirmation vote has been completed, thereafter the enumerated powers are only valid if confirmed?

 

[Domais]

Certainly. Then I frame the question to the court as follows:

Do nominated ministers have full power over their jurisdiction (once nominated) until the confirmation vote has been completed, thereafter the enumerated powers are only valid if confirmed?

Your point is mute according to section 1.6 of the Citizenship Act: "(6) In the absence of a Granting Official, the Delegate may approve or reject citizenship applications."

 

[Frankender]

My question below still stands, and it is relevant to not just the granting official, but all ministers:

Do nominated ministers have full power over their jurisdiction (once nominated) until the confirmation vote has been completed, thereafter the enumerated powers are only valid if confirmed?

@the judiciary, let me know if I need to make a new thread for the above, or if I can simply edit my original post

 

[Eldarion]

Pretty sure this would be covered by the ruiling a little while back, where it was made clear in absence of a Granting Official, the Delegate could admit citizens without them (and final approval is up to the Delegate anyway): https://nslazarus.com/forum/index.php?threads/3098/

 

[Frankender]

I am going to pose my second question in a new thread. This can be closed!