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This is referred to here:

The feeling given what was said in private conversations, was that the logs would not be released.
Feelings are different from requests. Have you and your team not communicated this to Clorinda?

Would be absolutely atrocious if the CLS voted to withhold Clorinda from public office if this requirement was not made clear. If not, the CLS & delegacy failed to prevent the leak.
 
Feelings are different from requests. Have you and your team not communicated this to Clorinda?

Would be absolutely atrocious if the CLS voted to withhold Clorinda from public office if this requirement was not made clear. If not, the CLS & delegacy failed to prevent the leak.
I can't respond to something that would require revealing more logs of already iffy situation.

There is no reason to make a major official demand, when there was no reason to suspect that it would be released, when the individual made the impression that they were personally opposed to their release.

Whether you agree with the decision or not, enough of the CLS decided this merited special action from the outcome of releasing the logs.

Tubbius and I are not going to deny the CLS the right to vote on an issue they feel strongly, regardless of our own opinions.
 
it’s a yes or no question. Did the delagacy inform Clorinda not to leak this into?
 
it’s a yes or no question. Did the delagacy inform Clorinda not to leak this into?
It is not stated in there that the Delegacy asked Clorinda to not leak the info. It is not brought up.

It is described here, with no reference whether the Council asked or not:
[...]Treadwellia and the Council hoped he would not release these logs[...]
I would have to reveal more of the logs than Clorinda has shared to say more, and it would be contradicting the CLS decision to reveal another set of logs without consent.
 
Permanent Ban from Lazarus: John Laurens or Constie

John Laurens or Constie has agitated for the collapse of the Lazarene government in terms of the Delegacy and Prime Ministerial administrations, through various means, and continues to make members of the region both inside and outside of the government uncomfortable with their further participation.

This includes:

a. Being in frequent disputes with regional government, to the point of going after the Delegacy to remove them.
b. Consistently argues for political changes that would imperil the region, and leave Lazarus open to foreign infiltration and control, inclusive of weakening the Council of Lazarene Security and Delegacy to the point they could not hope to adequately defend the region, were Lazarus to be attacked.
c. Seeking to weaken the constitutional powers of the Delegate, and undermine their position in the region, in order to make way for someone else, even though claiming otherwise.
d. Seeking to undermine our neutral alignment, and push for Lazarus to become imperialist, and align against our regional allies, which would not agree with such a change in alignment.
e. Getting into arguments with region members and bringing negativity and political drama to debates, which presents behavior issues for members of government, as well as discord and forum administration and moderation.
f. Threatening holders of positions with recalls, and removal from office, simply for disagreeing with his aims, contrary to what should be the purpose of recalls, actual inability to remain in office, ceasing to exist, or a demonstrable situation where they did not fulfill their office as defined by the mandate.

This leaves the Council of Lazarene Security no alternative but to remove them from the region, as such activity will continue to present itself with their further participation in the region.

The Council of Lazarene Security is now permitted to begin a vote on this.

Signed, Treadwellia, Delegate of Lazarus
 
Hello my delegate, whom I consider my friend, can you quantify what lead to Constie’s banishment? In my eyes, he has always has been trying to build Lazarus, so I would love to hear your opinion
 
Tubbius couldn't speak to add more on this sort of decision, as the stated language was agreed upon and voted upon.

You would have to narrow it down to ask about a specific section of the reasoning, as it is not a ban for any single specific reason.

Given that this is a security matter though, there will always hypothetically be protection of sources, and information not put into publicly viewable record. That would kept private to the Council of Lazarene Security, and the Court (if they need to see it for legal reasons). The mandate not requiring a full display of evidence by the CLS in public, was applied to this and past CLS votes.

To require a full revealing of evidence would break with past procedure, so a vote would need to be held to decide whether that would be changed, or what would be permitted to be revealed. Past CLS votes haven't commonly revealed evidence.
 
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Tubbius couldn't speak to add more on this sort of decision, as the stated language was agreed upon and voted upon.

You would have to narrow it down to ask about a specific section of the reasoning, as it is not a ban for any single specific reason.

Given that this is a security matter though, there will always hypothetically be protection of sources, and information not put into publicly viewable record. That would kept private to the Council of Lazarene Security, and the Court (if they need to see it for legal reasons). The mandate not requiring a full display of evidence by the CLS in public, was applied to this and past CLS votes.

To require a full revealing of evidence would break with past procedure, so a vote would need to be held to decide whether that would be changed, or what would be permitted to be revealed. Past CLS votes haven't commonly revealed evidence.
Understood. Thank you for the explanation!
 
Changes in the security situation require us to reduce the endorsement cap to 100 endorsements for those nations endorsing the Delegate, and to allow for the ejection or banning at will of any nation considered a security threat that breaches the existing 10 endorsement cap for those nations not endorsing the Delegate.

This may now go to vote.

Signed,

Treadwellia, Delegate of Lazarus
 
Ejection and/or Ban approved for current or potential endorsement cap violation:

This may change if they come into compliance.

This shall concern the following nations not endorsing Treadwelia:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=scientifique
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_peoples_totalitarian_stalinist_state
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_land_of_the_dogs
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dexwester
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=north_zerevski
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=german-russo
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cesarialand
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=arcstopotiis
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fugellia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=republic_of_polisa
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=reman_imperium
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dorbia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_revolutionaries
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=wazaristan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=veralann
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=saints_row
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hezapotamia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=werdelvania
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=thied_isles
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=retevoiesti
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=titain
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ladrica
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=chanquenistan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kawaii-stan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=klavstore
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=of_canada_that_could
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=throb
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dinastia_ming
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=lord_morkai
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=cardison
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=arish_borttigare
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tortulhos
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=voss_prime
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=new_promo
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sacoshia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=engelhardenia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=vulcan_confederacy
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=lunis
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=le_doves
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sixxar_isles
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_maucou
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kestuna
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=meusa
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=takalik
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=carlinland
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=utopia_balcanica
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gerarvania
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=north_coach_rigs
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_vesterleds
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dans_the_men
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=darkening_winter
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=basement_kitteh
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=anobu
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=seluka_ange
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dumb_ol_texas
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=western_lovia_sun
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fort_yuk
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=red-liberal_hong_kong
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_pnc
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=lemontea
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=union_of_duckland
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=injali
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=xetroicia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=clamation
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=muko_snot
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fariginian_republic
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=scarlett_rose
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_eastern_federation
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mining_paradise
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=administrative_egypt
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=suraria
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_allock
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=conleth
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=greater_serbian_kingdom
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hansavarta
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=germaniaota
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nova_tuga
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=big_hell_on_earth
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=state_of_cascadia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=soccesia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=walidalgeria
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=razek
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=saranea
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=annabethia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=united_states_of_nikosa
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=aadjunckistan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=driponia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=alagaziyya
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pakastian
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_reformed_sky
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=blumelke
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mulki
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=manistanya
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=jyuuga_shogunate
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ellahuma
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=evilonians
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=bobine_brulle
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gong-jon
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sealia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=billnyeshell
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_mekar_tribe
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=francovania
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kingdom_of_somerset
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=opatia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kakad
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=erazia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=vallesmarineris
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=red_light_zone
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=poesz
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_united_states_federation
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gronotsky
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=quezadastan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=stentaria
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=lgengia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=hindvi
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=noristavi
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=macpublic
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=endoria
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=otayo
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=thingytown
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gerontogeous_pearl
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sylantina
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=gustavia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=newstro
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=treano
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=andarme
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=polina
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=imperium_of_leharion
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sawhirius
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ii_slavic_revolutionary_nations
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=spartan_iiis
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=johnstoniam
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_gaelic_republic
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nerethea
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=happy1417
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=oldzealand
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=bangna
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kam-chatka
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=greater_westerreich
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=lusitant
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=canakas
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=enchantess
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=chip_nation
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=siberi_influxia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=goru
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sexytopia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=neruba
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=chryspolis
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=scheiss_ims
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=umbrelia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sussex69
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=moffenland
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mexansvila_krairen
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=beeg_beeg
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=henningania
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=libera_rex
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=confete
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=tartaso
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=fbobf
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=exellence
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ontarak
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=donciy
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sacred_reich
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sheesh-i-stan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=prussian_oblast
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=saint_bariniance
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=origamis
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=north_bulgaristan
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=schliat
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ifunia
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=western_dnipro
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=pakasor
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=willievill

The Council of Lazarene Security is now permitted to begin a vote on this.

Signed, Treadwellia, Delegate of Lazarus
 
Changes in the security situation require us to reduce the endorsement cap. Citizens endorsing the Delegate may hold up to 90 endorsements. Residents endorsing the Delegate may hold up to 70 endorsements. Those not endorsing the Delegate will continue to have an an endorsement cap of 10 endorsements.

This may now go to vote.

Signed,

Treadwellia, Delegate of Lazarus
 
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