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[Discussion] Delegate Recall - The Pharcyde - 07-07-2019
Fellow shareholders,
I propose a recall of Treadwellia, Chief Executive Officer of Lazarus.
I am deeply unsatisfied with the state of internal affairs in Lazarus, and lack confidence that the change I want to see is realizable under Treadwellia’s leadership. In the past couple months, I have witnessed many arguments about the direction the region is headed in, but very few solutions. The few ideas we have trudge forward at a snail’s pace.
I do not blame Treadwellia for our problems, but I do hold him accountable for our failure to find solutions. In a corporation, accountability, as well as visionary leadership, starts at the top. Lazarus is failing and has been for awhile now, in my opinion. The CEO is responsible for changing our direction, and I haven’t seen any reason to believe change is on the way. I think it’s time for something different.
With that said, I hope it’s really obvious that I respect Tubbius, and am only comfortable proposing this recall because he’s created a culture where all nations, regardless of their status, are made to feel important and free to voice their opinions in the democratic process. Nothing about this is personal, and I ultimately hope we can get serious talking about where Lazarus is headed moving forward.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - McChimp - 07-07-2019
I do not support this in the slightest. Saying that you don't blame him but are going to hold him accountable nonetheless is nonsensical. Lazarus is exploring solutions to problems as we speak and will no doubt be implementing them soon. This is not a solution; it serves only to sow distrust.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - Legalist Zombal - 07-07-2019
You don't blame him for the issues yet you want to take action by punishing him and removing him? Laughable.
No support from me either.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - Ryccia - 07-07-2019
I concur with McChimp. I refuse to support this measure.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - treadwellia - 07-07-2019
As current Delegate, I have stated numerous times that I wholeheartedly support open communication regarding the concerns being raised in Lazarus. I have seen volatile, explosive discussions in the Meeting Room channel on the Discord regarding people's desires for more political power and/or democratic government--discussions that have usually happened in the night when I am asleep, given, I assume, a difference in time zones (I am in the Eastern U.S., for what that's worth). I have also seen accusations like this one that state that I have done little to progress Lazarus in the last 99 days (93 days of actual official service with 6 days of building Endorsement support prior to officially taking power).
Anyone has the option to communicate with me personally through Telegrams in game or direct messages on Discord. Of the top fifty direct message tabs in my Discord account, which cover messages from April to the present, about half a dozen are real-life friends; several are representatives of Lazarus, other regions, or combined messages with various members of both categories; and the rest are various individuals who have seen the need to message me at various points--none in a negative light. Even particular individuals with whom I've had somewhat shaky relationships due to their occasional public pushes for radical change in government have been polite in directly messaging me their suggestions for potential improvement. The biggest piece of advice that I received was to communicate even more openly with others about goings-on. That was from a month ago, almost to the day.
So, with that advice taken (from Cormac, no less), I wish to state that a lot of what the Delegate--whether me, Imkiville before me, or whoever else is over Lazarus in the past or the future--happens in the background. A great deal of it is routine, daily work, such as accepting citizenship applications, maintaining communications with other regional heads, brokering treaties between regions, and answering people's concerns through interviews and simple questions. The big, flashy moments, the surges of activity. . . those might be what many think they want to see, but that is not the daily life of the Delegate, which is a very unforgiving grind at times with little public notifications of the depth of the events.
Anyone who wants to know more has always had the opportunity to contact me and may certainly have that opportunity from this moment forward.
I will admit that this proposal, while certainly within Pharcyde's rights to make, feels sudden and unexpected. I have received no directly messaged, personal communications about the need to act "or else" from anyone within my service as Delegate. To that end, should this proposal proceed beyond this thread and to whatever stage follows regarding it, I believe that the citizens of Lazarus will act as their own judgments dictate. Should that result in my removal from the Delegate's position, then that is the case, and Lazarus will theoretically find someone it deems better suited to the post. Should that not result in said removal, then I hold neither Pharcyde nor any others who post in agreement with this request in any ill will or malice, and, yes, I will still continue to invite any and all to communicate with me openly as each person sees fit.
As it stands, I do not feel that I can support such a move at this time, on a personal and professional level (well, as professional as being Delegate of a game-created region of NationStates can get).
-- Treadwellia, current Delegate of Lazarus, July 6, 2019
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - joWhatup - 07-07-2019
Absolutely no support. We are looking for solutions to the problems you speak of, and ditching the delegate who's been trying his best to help is not a solution. Saying you don't blame him but will hold him responsible is nonsensical.
Absolutely against.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - New Rogernomics - 07-07-2019
This is a really terrible idea given the chaos and disruption this would cause.
Losing one Delegate within a short span of time was enough.
To be fairly honest were it to gather the votes to pass, it would make it hard for a lot of citizens to take such a vote seriously or even find the votes legitimately gathered, as to gather the sufficient votes you'd have to discord DM and telegram in a wild frenzy - or to have gathered them beforehand which doesn't look good either.
Definitely against this.
Edit: As for actual changes, they already are proposed by both Atlantica, others, and myself, and historically, rushing changes has never worked well in Lazarus i.e. such as with the Celestial Union.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - The Pharcyde - 07-07-2019
Legalist Zombal;6495 Wrote:You don't blame him for the issues yet you want to take action by punishing him and removing him? Laughable.I don’t see what’s so funny. A recall is not a punishment, by the way. I don’t think Tubb is going to find solutions to our problems and would like to see someone else take their shot.
No support from me either.
treadwellia;6497 Wrote:SnipI sincerely appreciate your constant willingness to hear suggestions and ideas for change. However, I believe a decent percentage of those ideas should be coming from you. I am of the belief that you have been governing too passively to lift us from inactivity.
When there are arguments or debates about the direction of the region in Discord, my perception is that your communication is limited to “Let’s put this topic on the shelf until tomorrow” and “I am open to receiving input from anyone with ideas”. I think those responses are both mature and measured, good personal leadership, but I don’t feel like you contribute to them beyond that.
Edit: New Rogernomics, I don’t think there is anything wrong with telegram campaigning. It is a legitimate part of the democratic process.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - Killer Kitty - 07-07-2019
Also opposed. Most of the "arguments about the direction the region is headed in" spawned solely from Cormac, who has since left. He wasn't a happy camper in a lot of ways.
RE: Proposed Delegate Recall - Constie - 07-07-2019
I think Tubbius’ willingness to hear everyone’s point of view is one of his greatest strengths, and I think he’s trying to spur us all on to understand our own projects. So with that, I don’t support this recall.