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[Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - Amerion - 09-07-2018

Relevant subsections of the Mandate

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Mandate - VII. Regulation of Government Officials

(1) The Delegate, the Vice Delegate, the Assembly Speaker, Cabinet Ministers, Court Justices, Councillors of Lazarene Security, or any other government official established by law or policy must be citizens of Lazarus.
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Mandate - VIII. Off-site Property Administration

(1) The root administrator of off-site property, which will be the same citizen for all official Lazarene off-site property, will be responsible for the appointment and removal of citizens to serve as off-site property administrators and moderators for each off-site property. Membership in off-site property administration and moderation teams will not be construed to constitute government office.
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There is a loophole which I think we should consider closing, with language that should be tightened.

As it stands, administrators and moderators of off-site property are not explicitly required to be citizens. There is an implication that they should hold citizenship in VIII (1). However, as the Mandate specifically regulates citizenship requirements for government officials, it is only logical for off-site administration to be held to the same exact standard as well, considering their function.

TLDR: an appropriate remedy for this issue would be to amend the relevant sections, stipulating that administrators and moderators are to hold citizenship status.
 
Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018)

Proposed By: Amerion
Preamble

This amendment of the Twelfth Mandate of Lazarus necessitates members of off-site property administration to maintain citizenship.

Section 1. Amendment of Article VII

(1) After subsection 1, insert:
 
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Citizenship requirement for off-site property administration

(2) Members of off-site property administration teams must be citizens of Lazarus.

Automatic removal of off-site property administration

(3) Members of off-site property administration teams will be automatically removed from their position upon loss of citizenship or their nation in Lazarus voluntarily relocating or ceasing to exist.
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RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - TempestShadow - 09-07-2018

Sounds good to me, though I can't help but imagine what would happen if a root of here or the Discord were to lose citizenship, given the inability to appeal to a higher power to strip their powers :p

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - Harmoneia - 09-07-2018

TempestShadow;3217 Wrote:Sounds good to me, though I can't help but imagine what would happen if a root of here or the Discord were to lose citizenship, given the inability to appeal to a higher power to strip their powers :p

This.

It's a good amendment ideally, but realistically, Imki owns both servers. In a hypothetical scenario of the far future where she loses citizenship, that would require us to make new forums and discord server, which is just not realistic.

Perhaps the root should be given automatic citizenship, then in order for you to become an off-site administrator, you must be a citizen first, and loss of citizenship (due to CTE) will result in a warning which if not heeded.

That, or we subject all removals of admin staff to an Assembly vote, which is a little bit more realistic than automatic removals.

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - TempestShadow - 09-07-2018

Perhaps just the roots have the escape clause of sorts, though we should obviously push that they maintain citizenship as such.

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - Amerion - 09-07-2018

TempestShadow;3217 Wrote:Sounds good to me, though I can't help but imagine what would happen if a root of here or the Discord were to lose citizenship, given the inability to appeal to a higher power to strip their powers :p
 
Harmoneia;3220 Wrote:...

It's a good amendment ideally, but realistically, Imki owns both servers. In a hypothetical scenario of the far future where she loses citizenship, that would require us to make new forums and discord server, which is just not realistic.

Perhaps the root should be given automatic citizenship, then in order for you to become an off-site administrator, you must be a citizen first, and loss of citizenship (due to CTE) will result in a warning which if not heeded.

That, or we subject all removals of admin staff to an Assembly vote, which is a little bit more realistic than automatic removals.

[A wild Harmoneia appears. Amerion uses a Master ball]

On this note, Imki would only lose citizenship is she voluntarily relocates or ceases to exist; in which case, with her as root administrator, would cause greater problems than any legislation here could resolve. It would necessitate a reorganisation/relocation of our public infrastructure. And as the only (likely) requirement to maintain citizenship is to maintain a nation in Lazarus, it goes back to the previous point.

As to your suggestion, I think it is logical. We could stipulate in the Citizenship Act that Imki, by virtue of being the root administrator, is granted citizenship in perpetuity. Would such a provision be acceptable?

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - TempestShadow - 09-07-2018

I think it would be, unless Imki objects to such, given she'd be the one most affected by such.

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - Amerion - 09-07-2018

TempestShadow;3234 Wrote:I think it would be, unless Imki objects to such, given she'd be the one most affected by such.

I can think of no reason why she would object to being granted indefinite citizenship  :lol:

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - TempestShadow - 09-07-2018

Amerion;3235 Wrote:
TempestShadow;3234 Wrote:I think it would be, unless Imki objects to such, given she'd be the one most affected by such.

I can think of no reason why she would object to being granted indefinite citizenship  :lol: 

Neither can I, but I figured it would be good to make sure anyways Wink

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - Legalist Zombal - 09-07-2018

Looks fine to me, maybe we should have the roots shared between the WAD, VD and then one or two trusted "admins"? Basically have like Senior Admins(only like 2 people or so) that actually do most of the admining but Imki still hold the Root account so that nobody can pull weird crap in the future with some cit having root or whatever Tongue

But it looks good either way!

RE: [Discussion] Off-site Property Administration Amendment (September 2018) - New Rogernomics - 09-07-2018

Only problem I could see with this is what if a few in the assembly hypothetically decided to remove an admin? On what grounds should an admin be removed? Is a trial required to remove citizenship and then admin? A super majority vote?