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Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Domais - 10-01-2020 Quote: RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Debussy - 10-01-2020 Quote:a. The relevant vote will be held after a discussion period of 5-7 days, Does the discussion have to be 5 days long? The Assembly's minimum is 3 days. Quote:a. The relevant vote can be held after a minimum discussion period of 3 days, but will be held after a period of 7 days, What if it said something like this? RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - McChimp - 10-01-2020 Allowing the Speaker to edit people's laws before they come to vote is extremely iffy. Against. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Debussy - 10-02-2020 Quote:(1) The Speaker may rectify any formatting inconsistencies of passed legislation, including: These are passed laws, though. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - McChimp - 10-02-2020 The Speaker has no more authority over laws that have already passed than any other citizen. If this were to be anybody's duty it should be the Court's. That said, as I've said before I'm against legislation that brings more bureaucracy to this process. It would be nice if everybody's grammar was up to scratch but this is the internet so I think we just have to live with the reality that that's not going to happen. I'm completely against this. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Domais - 10-02-2020 McChimp;10859 Wrote:The Speaker has no more authority over laws that have already passed than any other citizen. If this were to be anybody's duty it should be the Court's. Why should we need to go through the courts to remove an extra [align] tag or an error in numbering? The Speaker should able to fix these slight issues. And, if the region doesn't like them they can overturn it. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Debussy - 10-02-2020 Why not have the justices be the ones that approve typo/spelling changes that the Speaker brings to their attention? If citizens still have an issue with any changes, their remedy to start a vote stays. The court is involved, citizens have a remedy for issues, and the Speaker can fix mistakes under the watch of the people who interpret the law. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - McChimp - 10-02-2020 If law's errors are that egregious then the Assembly as a whole should vote against passing it in the first place. I don't see why we should entrust this to any more limited group of people when there is no guarantee that they will know better than anyone else. Already you have tried to adjust legal text I and others have written for no good reason whatsoever-I see you included replacing "outdated" terms, by the way. I find it extremely aggravating to think that in the future our citizens' laws will be "fixed" by somebody who may well write worse English than them and that they will then have to fight to overturn such meddling. Your efforts to impose overreaching and misguided standards on the written word-like your recent efforts to remove the perfectly good word "shall" from our lexicon-are entirely unwelcome so far as I am concerned. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Domais - 10-03-2020 McChimp;10863 Wrote:If law's errors are that egregious then the Assembly as a whole should vote against passing it in the first place. I don't see why we should entrust this to any more limited group of people when there is no guarantee that they will know better than anyone else. This isn't about removing shall from Lazarus, this is about fixing noncontroversial things, that need fixing. The Speaker is only allowed to make changes on laws that don't hold constitutional status, he is allowed to fix formatting errors, spelling and grammatical errors, numbering errors. He is allowed to replace outdated terms like Minister with their updated version; in this case Cabinet Minister. He is allowed to remove any excess BBcodes, so like an extra [align] or a random [color] tag. He also has to make a forum post about his changes and the Assembly can vote to overturn any change he makes. Furthermore, why should go through the trouble of amending something to fix a trivial numbering issue or to update Minister with Cabinet Minister. Moreover, by outdated I mean terms like Minister which have been superseded by a new term through new legislation and are synonymous with the old term. For instance, if Lazarus passed a law saying all laws are to be written in American English, then this would authorize the Speaker to bring all the previously passed legislation up to code or if the region passed a law renaming a position this law would also allow him to change all existing references of that position with the new name. But, "shall" would not be considered outdated because no law has been passed that phases out this term. So, all this will do is make Lazarus more consistent, without the need for endless votes on every little change. After all, why vote on a simple issue of fixing "Law text [/bbcode]" by removing [/bbcode] so "Law text" when you could just have the Speaker make those changes? As to your concern about the Speaker making needless changes and the Assembly having to constantly overturn his changes, if the Speaker was forced to ask for input beforehand than it would lead to less of that because if people come out strongly against it, the Speaker would refrain from those changes. Lest he be removed. RE: Discretionary Powers Act (October 2020) - Domais - 10-03-2020 I added a definition section and a section that makes it so the Speaker cannot delegate the powers. Also, I made Deb's change to the discussion period. |