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Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Debussy - 02-20-2020
Quote:Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020)
Proposed by: @Debussy
Preamble
This amendment shall resolve a conflict between the Mandate and the Assembly Procedures Act
Section 1. Amendment to Section 2. subsection (3)
(1) Section 2. subsection (3), as it is currently written, reads:
[Table][cell](3) Only the Delegate may introduce a proposal to enact, amend, or repeal a treaty or declaration of war, and only the Delegate may make a motion to vote on such a proposal.[/cell][/table]
(2) Section 2. subsection (3), with the inclusion of new text highlighted in green, will be amended to read:
[Table][cell](3) Only the Prime Minister may introduce a proposal to enact, amend, or repeal a treaty or declaration of war, and only the Prime Minister may make a motion to vote on such a proposal.[/cell][/table]
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Zapatian Workers State - 02-21-2020
Debussy;8350 Wrote:Quote:Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020)
Proposed by: @Debussy
Preamble
This amendment shall alter how legislation may be brought to vote and resolve conflicts between the Mandate and the Assembly Procedures Act
Section 1. Amendment to Section 2. subsection (2)
(1) Section 2. subsection (2), as it is currently written, reads:
[table][cell]Section 2. Legislative Procedures[/cell][/table]
(2) In order for a proposal to be brought to vote, a citizen eligible to vote on that proposal must make a motion to vote, and another such citizen must second the motion. A motion to vote may only be made by the initial author of a proposal unless the initial author is no longer a citizen or has not posted on the off-site regional forum for more than seven days without posting a leave of absence.
Section 2. subsection (2), with the inclusion of new text highlighted in green, will be amended to read:
[table][cell]Section 2. Legislative Procedures[/cell][/table]
(2) In order for a proposal to be brought to vote, a citizen eligible to vote on that proposal must make a motion to vote, and another such citizen must second the motion. A motion to vote may only be made by the initial author of a proposal unless the initial author is no longer a citizen or the dicussion period has continued for more than seven days.
Section 2. Amendment to Section 2. subsection (3)
(1) Section 2. subsection (3), as it is currently written, reads:
[Table][cell](3) Only the Delegate may introduce a proposal to enact, amend, or repeal a treaty or declaration of war, and only the Delegate may make a motion to vote on such a proposal.[/cell][/table]
Section 2. subsection (3), with the inclusion of new text highlighted in green, will be amended to read:
[Table][cell](3) Only the Prime Minister may introduce a proposal to enact, amend, or repeal a treaty or declaration of war, and only the Prime Minister may make a motion to vote on such a proposal.[/cell][/table]
I wholeheartedly support the amendment to Section 2, subsection 3, for transferring aspects of military policy to the people's duly elected representative in the executive branch. However, I fail to see the rationale for the amendment to Section 2, subsection 2. If the shareholder/citizen who proposes legislation cannot commit long enough to it to forward it to a vote, then there is no reason that the legislation should be considered, to my mind. As such, qualifications contingent upon the length of discussion are a bad idea in my opinion.
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - temmi - 02-21-2020
I am new to this but forcing myself to try to be active and learn so I hope I don't sound too dumb!! I like the first change. It would be awkward if someone posted in other parts of the site and never motioned to vote making it at a stand still. For the second change, why don't we have both the prime minister and the delegate be able to do it instead of just one of them? That way if one if not around much the other can still do it if we need to! anyway, good work Debussy!! ^-^
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Debussy - 02-21-2020
Quote:However, I fail to see the rationale for the amendment to Section 2, subsection 2.
It's a good idea to give assembly members more control over voting. You make a good point on the author having to be around though. The initial author can keep control of their thread for a week and then the community and speaker can decide what to do from there.
Quote:I am new to this but forcing myself to try to be active and learn so I hope I don't sound too dumb!! I like the first change. It would be awkward if someone posted in other parts of the site and never motioned to vote making it at a stand still. For the second change, why don't we have both the prime minister and the delegate be able to do it instead of just one of them? That way if one if not around much the other can still do it if we need to! anyway, good work Debussy!! ^-^
Good idea, Temmi. I had the same idea, but the mandate does not allow for it.
[Table][cell]
I. Assembly of Lazarus
(5) The Assembly may declare war against another region or organization, and repeal a declaration of war, at the request of the Prime Minister, by two-thirds vote.
[/cell][/table]
(5) The Assembly may declare war against another region or organization, and repeal a declaration of war, at the request of the Prime Minister, by two-thirds vote.
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - temmi - 02-21-2020
Debussy;8369 Wrote:Quote:However, I fail to see the rationale for the amendment to Section 2, subsection 2.
It's a good idea to give assembly members more control over voting. You make a good point on the author having to be around though. The initial author can keep control of their thread for a week and then the community and speaker can decide what to do from there.
Quote:I am new to this but forcing myself to try to be active and learn so I hope I don't sound too dumb!! I like the first change. It would be awkward if someone posted in other parts of the site and never motioned to vote making it at a stand still. For the second change, why don't we have both the prime minister and the delegate be able to do it instead of just one of them? That way if one if not around much the other can still do it if we need to! anyway, good work Debussy!! ^-^
Good idea, Temmi. I had the same idea, but the mandate does not allow for it.
[Table][cell]I. Assembly of Lazarus[/cell][/table]
(5) The Assembly may declare war against another region or organization, and repeal a declaration of war, at the request of the Prime Minister, by two-thirds vote.
if someone proposes something that people like, but they themselves can't be around or something happens where they have to leave, i agree that everyone else should be able to still vote on it if they like it regardless of that person's situation.
and oh ok...is this change then just to make it so this law is the same as what the mandate already is??
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Zapatian Workers State - 02-21-2020
Debussy;8369 Wrote:Quote:However, I fail to see the rationale for the amendment to Section 2, subsection 2.
It's a good idea to give assembly members more control over voting. You make a good point on the author having to be around though. The initial author can keep control of their thread for a week and then the community and speaker can decide what to do from there.
Quote:I am new to this but forcing myself to try to be active and learn so I hope I don't sound too dumb!! I like the first change. It would be awkward if someone posted in other parts of the site and never motioned to vote making it at a stand still. For the second change, why don't we have both the prime minister and the delegate be able to do it instead of just one of them? That way if one if not around much the other can still do it if we need to! anyway, good work Debussy!! ^-^
Good idea, Temmi. I had the same idea, but the mandate does not allow for it.
[Table][cell]I. Assembly of Lazarus[/cell][/table]
(5) The Assembly may declare war against another region or organization, and repeal a declaration of war, at the request of the Prime Minister, by two-thirds vote.
I see your rationale on the amendment to Section 2, subsection 2. The bill exists independently of its author at some point, and must be evaluated on its own merit instead of the level of commitment had by the author, especially considering RL considerations may crop up.
However, for those who may take issue with the amendment to Section 2, subsection 3, I would remind all that the democratization amendment to Mandate 12 was instituted for good reason, specifically to designate executive functions formerly possessed by unelected officials (i.e. the Delegate) as reserved by the people's elected officials (i.e. the PM/Managing Director). I see no reason for why the newer provisions of the Mandate should be curtailed.
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Capercom - 02-21-2020
Quote:or the dicussion period has continued for more than seven days.
*Discussion
Secondly,
Who calls for the vote if the discussion period has lasted longer than 7 days or the author isn't a citizen/MIA?
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Zapatian Workers State - 02-21-2020
Capercom;8403 Wrote:Quote:or the dicussion period has continued for more than seven days.
*Discussion
Secondly,
Who calls for the vote if the discussion period has lasted longer than 7 days or the author isn't a citizen/MIA?
From my interpretation, literally any shareholder
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - New Rogernomics - 02-21-2020
I should state that this already exists in the mandate, so this part on the PM being set to do treaties,etc would just be updating the act. As some were unsure about that.
Quote:(4) The Assembly may enact, amend, or repeal treaties, at the request of the Prime Minister, by 50%+1 vote.
RE: Assembly Procedure Act Amendment (February 2020) - Debussy - 02-21-2020
temmi;8363 Wrote:I am new to this but forcing myself to try to be active and learn so I hope I don't sound too dumb!! I like the first change. It would be awkward if someone posted in other parts of the site and never motioned to vote making it at a stand still. For the second change, why don't we have both the prime minister and the delegate be able to do it instead of just one of them? That way if one if not around much the other can still do it if we need to! anyway, good work Debussy!! ^-^
Zapatian Workers State;8405 Wrote:Capercom;8403 Wrote:Quote:or the dicussion period has continued for more than seven days.
*Discussion
Secondly,
Who calls for the vote if the discussion period has lasted longer than 7 days or the author isn't a citizen/MIA?
From my interpretation, literally any shareholder
Votes can be started after 3 days. The author would get 4 days from there, but after that the idea would be that anyone could motion the vote.
Thanks Capercom. I fixed it.
