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[Proposal] Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Zapatian Workers State - 11-05-2019 Quote: And now for the one which is bound to be unpopular. Nevertheless, I feel that the Guard as it stands is hopelessly hampered and neutralized, and I believe not only that the command structure should be more formal and centralized but also that the military should be granted greater latitude to act. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - New Rogernomics - 11-06-2019 We have had no debate or discussion of views to warrant this legislation. In fact, when we had the last debate, the universal opinion was not to allow the delegate or the military for that matter to engage in R/D. It would have been better to start a debate on this issue than propose this to shareholders without warning. To sum up: It is too early to propose such legislation and as such I see this being voted down. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Zapatian Workers State - 11-06-2019 New Rogernomics;7417 Wrote:We have had no debate or discussion of views to warrant this legislation. As I told you on Discord, I assumed that this would be the proper place to begin discussion of the ramifications of this legislation among the shareholders. Please also take into consideration that I'm new and may not yet understand all the niceties of formal discussion and faux pas surrounding military-oriented legislation here RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - New Rogernomics - 11-06-2019 Zapatian Workers State;7419 Wrote:New Rogernomics;7417 Wrote:We have had no debate or discussion of views to warrant this legislation. I am pointing out something that tends to be true informally, when it is an issue folks can get heated about. It can be the proper place on paper, but when you start proposing legislation that can be divisive, it ruffles feathers. I have posted a topic to help get people willing to engage, so hopefully, if and when this comes to vote, they have an idea about what this is all about, and don't rush to an opinion on this: https://www.nslazarus.com/showthread.php?tid=1048 RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Debussy - 11-06-2019 I dont think the PM should be over the military. It should be delegates and vice delegates call. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Roavin - 11-07-2019 Zapatian Workers State;7416 Wrote:(1) The Lazarene Regional Guard may engage in martial action befitting of raiders, defenders, or mercenaries depending upon the standing executive policy of the incumbent Prime Minister.Hard pass. As soon as that policy is enacted, malign actors from both the raider and defender side will try to influence Lazarus to get one of their guys into the Prime Ministership. And in general, I don't see why the Guard's mandate needs to change. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Debussy - 11-07-2019 Guard is boring hitting warzones. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Roavin - 11-07-2019 Maybe, but there's nothing preventing you from satisfying your R/D itch elsewhere if it's a problem for you. Opening the Guard up is a can of worms best left untouched, particularly in the way proposed. RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - Debussy - 11-07-2019 I dont like the way proposed but I also don't like handcuffing my region so other orgs can recruit, probably helping to invite this can of worms in here. Why cant we do whatever Tubbius and New Roger are ok with? "Hey can we go here, do this?" "Ok." RE: Military Expansion Amendment (November 2019) - New Rogernomics - 11-08-2019 Debussy;7444 Wrote:I dont like the way proposed but I also don't like handcuffing my region so other orgs can recruit, probably helping to invite this can of worms in here. Why cant we do whatever Tubbius and New Roger are ok with? "Hey can we go here, do this?" "Ok." I have issue with the Prime Minister running it as well. We should also have a military independent of political brinkmanship, as Roavin pointed out. It would make more sense to just modify existing legislation to allow for the military carry out operations unimpeded, than for legislation to endorse the position that any high official should adopt a raider or defender bias. We could easily just amend like so, which basically allows the Regional Guard to engage in raids or defense operations as a one off or indefinitely, without mentioning R/D affiliation: Quote:Section 2. Establishment of Military Neutrality |