I'd have to disagree on several points there. Citizenship is a big a deal, as it allows outsiders to vote on our laws and the future our Lazarus, and all you need is one vote to make a great deal of difference and to influence others. This a concept that even the New Pacific Order accepts, unless you are earnestly suggesting that the New Pacific Order give citizenship to every nation that walks through the door, regardless of their hostility towards the New Pacific Order. Though the New Pacific Order has a policy in place to prevent 'dangerous elements' taking positions of power, whereas Lazarus doesn't. If enough votes are gathered, Imki can be forced from power, and a new Delegate put in place.
All it took was Feux and a few others to push for the People's Republic of Lazarus, and carry out a major purge of Lazarenes, and all it took to bring that regime down was Kazmr and his friends, and a lot of effort. Just one election was all it took to effectively remove NES and ban all 'LKE sympathizers' and 'raiders' from Lazarus, over an extended period of time, though no one at the time knew that's what they were voting for, beyond those party to the conspiracy. Just a small number of players can have a major influence on a region, for the better or worse, and this was how Lazarus was infiltrated during the Humane Republic of Lazarus and Celestial Union, and in the governments before them. The cost of heavy openness is weak security and enabling of coups, and repeatedly Lazarus was taken advantage of in this manner. Does this mean we want a 'Fortress Lazarus' mentality forever? I doubt it. However, for the time being it is pretty necessary, and will be till Lazarus has an active community, and robust institutions. We don't really have either of those, as the civil society (if you can call it that) was destroyed during the civil war, and hasn't been restored to Lazarus yet. Lazarus right now can be very easily manipulated and influenced.
Though I'd be against, as many are since the civil war, any kind of elected delegacy transition, beyond that of a challenge system and line of succession. I have no problem with Tubbius being our next Delegate, if Imki decides to step down some day for example. I don't even have an issue if we decided some day to make the Delegacy purely a security position with ceremonial powers, and a Prime Minister like figure and the elected assembly holding the political power. But from now on, loyal Lazarenes without [primary] allegiance to any foreign region, are the ones that hold the delegacy, and I don't see a problem with that, and as I have said several times on discord, if we lose the delegacy, we lose everything. Governments and communities can be rebuilt, but once the region is lost, we have to hope for the likes of Kazmr and Imki, to save us from the mess and bring back Lazarus. I don't want to go through that again, nor does Lazarus. We've had enough civil wars and coups for a lifetime.
This was a cost which the region decided it wasn't currently prepared to pay. You may disagree with that decision, as many already have, but the days where Lazarus would simply let players stroll in regardless of their affiliations and rise through the ranks to major political power is gone. Under the current government and constitution, the reigns are held tightly by those that the region can truly trust. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your NPO stance), this means that citizens of the New Pacific Order, are players that the region doesn't want to have any power - whether as voting citizens or in positions of power or authority.
The problem with exceptions, is that they themselves set a precedent, which is what was pointed out on the discussion of a proscription. I put forward an expiring exception, with the implication for yourself and a few others, including for Drop Your Pants to be allowed in, only while the exception remained in effect. But as was pointed out in that discussion, the problem with such an exception is that once you draw that line on accepting some people, the demand will be to allow more, on basis of fairness. If we accept one application, based on 'lack of threat', we legitimately have to accept them all, if we want to remain consistent, and not undermine the fairness of the application process. That means within a few weeks, we could have three, then six, then twelve applications from dual citizens from the New Pacific Order, and so on. New Pacific Order citizens deciding our laws and participating in our political process during war time, and when players in Lazarus genuinely feel betrayed by The New Pacific Order, is not what anyone is looking for, from a fair assessment of public opinion. But there should be a vote on this, as the proscription is not in effect yet in regards to the New Pacific Order, and instead we are taking the declaration of war into account in regards to citizenship.
Drop Your Pants hasn't 'earned' anything, in terms of the current government of Lazarus, which is the curse and responsibility of the current government to accept. When Lazarus passed legislation that made clear that this government was not a continuation of past Lazarene governments, it created a new footing and a new process for Lazarus to decide who deserved to achieve political power and who didn't. If you note, Imki didn't have to allow any of us in her government. She was well within her defacto rights as delegate to ignore everyone who participated in the convention, and to create a new Lazarus entirely in her own image. She didn't do that, and decided to give some of us who participated in the Convention, a say in the future of Lazarus, but that wasn't required of her nor is she required to accept anyone based on their past history in Lazarus.
That said, Drop Your Pants didn't really participate in the Convention, nor do anything of note in Lazarus during this administration, prior to his application, so the new government doesn't 'owe' Drop Your Pants anything - especially given that what Drop Your Pants did was in the Celestial Union and Humane Republic, and before, which this Lazarus is not a successor state from. That may sound harsh, and it is, though the reality is that the moment Lazarus said it wasn't a successor state, all past Lazarenes ceased to be 'owed' anything. The war however makes it difficult to allow dual citizens at this time. There may be a re-consideration, there might not be. In fact, no nation residing in Lazarus was granted citizenship for a long while now, since the initial war declaration on the New Pacific Order was passed.
Since no one has done it yet, I will put the New Pacific Order proscription up for discussion, as Lazarus as now has no policy beyond, 'this citizenship application has New Pacific Order in it' and 'we are at war with the New Pacific Order', therefore we can't process this right now.
