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Discussion The Declaration of the Lazarene Union (2021)

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The Declaration of the Lazarene Union(2021)

Proposed by: JL​
Preamble

This law shall define the regional theme, alternate titles, and the legal name of the region

Section One: the Lazarene Union

(1) The Region of Lazarus shall be known as the the Lazarene Union.

(2) This Act shall repeal the Lazarene Corporation Theme Act
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Where is the rest of the proposal?
 
Against, as no alternative theme has been agreed upon, even assuming we change the theme.
 
So this is just a different name but no theme? No thanks.

If you don’t like the theme, why don’t you just propose repealing the theme act and have the region style itself as the Republic of Lazarus or something?
 
Constie said:
I don’t think Lazarus requires a theme at all.
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I don't think taking apart all Imki's work, and everyone else's work in putting together LazCorp, as imperfect as things might be with it, and putting nothing in its place is productive. Love it or hate it, but it is still the culture of Lazarus at this point post-Khanate, and you can't just repeal the culture of a region and put nothing in its place.
 
I support this. Lazcorp is boring. I would rather have prime ministers, justices etc as our theme. That is what this proposal does
 
New Rogernomics said:
I don't think taking apart all Imki's work, and everyone else's work in putting together LazCorp, as imperfect as things might be with it, and putting nothing in its place is productive. Love it or hate it, but it is still the culture of Lazarus at this point post-Khanate, and you can't just repeal the culture of a region and put nothing in its place.
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This isn’t culture, it’s a subpar theme that no one participates in and hardly even acknowledges
 
Constie said:
This isn’t culture, it’s a subpar theme that no one participates in and hardly even acknowledges
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If you don't personally participate in it, and have never liked the theme, then of course you would feel that way.

It is a culture, when folks have contributed it for years with everything from graphics and art to role play materials, and engaged with it even on a basic level.

It has also been the theme people have been used to coming into the region, and if you switch off the light switch on it out of the blue, folks will notice.
 
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I'm not the biggest fan of the Lazcorp theme, but I absolutely prefer Lazcorp over no theme.
 
New Rogernomics said:
If you don't personally participate in it, and have never liked the theme, then of course you would feel that way.

It is a culture, when folks have contributed it for years with everything from graphics and art to role play materials, and engaged with it even on a basic level.
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Just because people make graphics & art doesn’t mean they are participating in the role play.

Rogernomics, I get you (& others) spent a good amount of time on graphics for this, and obviously everyone appreciates it. That doesn’t mean it is a logical reason to keep the theme.

New Rogernomics said:
It has also been the theme people have been used to coming into the region, and if you switch off the light switch on it out of the blue, folks will notice.
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I fail to see how this is an argument against changing the theme.

However, I do think this is a losing battle since it seems many are so opposed to change within Lazarus, as if change is dangerous within a region plagued with inactivity. People shoot these discussions down when they are some of the few topics that bring activity to the region.

I feel like the only real reason people have given against getting rid of LazCorp are that we would be stripping the region of any theme, but I disagree. How do titles within LazCorp benefit the region more than titles such as Prime Minister, Justice etc? If anything, they put a damper on recruitment — not the other way around.
 
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Frankender said:
Just because people make graphics & art doesn’t mean they are participating in the role play

I don’t see how this is a logical argument against changing the theme.

However, I do think this is a losing battle since it seems many are so opposed to change within Lazarus…
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They are participating in the role play, if they are using the titles, including LazCorp in aspects of their RPs, and developing graphics and art. Is everyone overjoyed and always using it, obviously not. But arguing we are not using at all, in RPs or regional culture, doesn't even stack up to RPs on the RMB, and usage through government and by residents and citizens on the RMB and elsewhere.

People are not opposed to change within Lazarus. What people are opposed to is being told constantly how bad the theme is, how bad the region is, how terrible things are run, and how supposedly how terrible they are for not wanting to tear down LazCorp, in a negative and unconstuctive way.

People don't like being pressured either every month to change the theme, by the same people, and in the same negative manner, which is putting forward various doomsday scenarios of the region dying, being dead already, or fantasy scenarios of the region being magically transformed into the most active region just by torching LazCorp with fire.

What people like to be told instead, in a positive way is: "I have a great idea for new theme, and this is what I am proposing", not "the end of the world is nigh" level negatively, which is all that the attempts to repeal the theme have been so far for months.

What do you seriously think any community or group of people respond better to? Being told constantly how terrible they are for supporting the theme as is? Or being told, that there is a great new theme idea that could make things better, and they can help. Pretty sure that 9 times out of 10 folks pick the second option.

Want to change the theme great. Please propose something other than a scorched Earth policy of straight repeal, or something that is going to be dismissed outright for foreign policy implications, or being a direct copy/paste of something tried before.

This proposal leaves us with no theme and nothing to work with, and you are somehow shocked folks don't want this, and that a large part of the region responds negatively to it. Offer folks a bone, and not a whip, and the response will be different.
 
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New Rogernomics said:
They are participating in the role play, if they are using the titles, including LazCorp in aspects of their RPs, and developing graphics and art. Is everyone overjoyed and always using it, obviously not. But arguing we are not using at all, in RPs or regional culture, doesn't even stack up to RPs on the RMB, and usage through government and by residents and citizens on the RMB and elsewhere..
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Using the theme in official correspondence over the forums does not constitute role play.

New Rogernomics said:
People are not opposed to change within Lazarus. What people are opposed to is being told constantly how bad the theme is, how bad the region is, how terrible things are run, and how supposedly how terrible they are for not wanting to tear down LazCorp, in a negative and unconstuctive way.
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Sure… that’s why a certain group of people continue to shoot down every idea of new legislation proposed? Seems to conflict with your reasoning

I think you are correct in the emotional appeal aspect of your argument; however
 
Frankender said:
Using the theme in official correspondence over the forums does not constitute role play.


Sure… that’s why a certain group of people continue to shoot down every idea of new legislation proposed? Seems to conflict with your reasoning

I think you are correct in the emotional appeal aspect of your argument; however
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No matter the theme that is going to be most of its use, in an forum or RMB capacity. Using RP titles does constitute RP, though LazCorp has already been RP'd on the RMB, and a lot of things created for it. This is use, even if you'd no doubt say otherwise.

You mean one proposal, the same proposal repeated month after month, with no change: "LazCorp must burn!", very "conflicted" reasoning to be continually opposed to that. The only other proposed alternative was the PRL, which is not a new idea but an old one, that was also put forward and repeated again and again. Contrast that with the space ship theme proposal, which at least is a new proposal not put forward before.
 
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New Rogernomics said:
You mean one proposal, the same proposal repeated month after month, with no change: "LazCorp must burn!", very "conflicted" reasoning to be continually opposed to that. The only other proposed alternative was the PRL, which is not a new idea but an old one, that was also put forward and repeated again and again. Contrast that with the space ship theme proposal, which at least is a new proposal not put forward before.
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No, I’m not just taking about the themes. I’m taking about the last few suggestions over the past week that have been shot down without due cause
 
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