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| Defender Awards - Suggestions! | |
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| Topic Started: May 10 2017, 04:13 PM (491 Views) | |
| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 10 2017, 04:13 PM Post #1 |
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That's right, they're coming back! This is the suggestion thread for any new awards to add to the defender awards. The plan right now is to do the Spicies sometime later, so for now this will just be the suggestion thread for the Defender Awards. I'm just reposting Thomas' list from the Office of Culture for now, but feel free to suggest any new awards below! I'll keep this thread open for a week or two and then we'll get to setting up for nominations. Expect nominations to open around June 1. Defender Awards Defender of the Year [individual] (self-explanatory) Ananke Award [Individual] (Spotting) Anarchotopia Award [Organization] (Invasion Prevention) Eagles Disobey Award [Organization] (Keeping Free Regions Free) The Blackbird Award [Organization] (Best Invaders) Sir Lans Award [Individual] (Update Attendance) Operation of the Year (Self Explanatory) Best Newcomer [Individual or Organization] (Self Explanatory) Worst Operation (Our Biggest Fail) Meltdown of the Year (Biggest Raider Fail) Worst Invader Group [Organization] (Biggest Fail / Annoyance) Best Defender Quote [Individuals] (Self Explanatory) Best Defender Mentor [Individual] (Training New Defenders) Eluvatar Award [Individual] (Tech) Thanks Guy for the suggestion Karputsk Award [Individual] (Liberations) Thanks Guy for the suggestion, BT for the name Numero Capitan Award [Individual] (Intelligence Work) Thanks BT for the suggestion WASC Award [Individual] (WASC Authorship) Thanks BT for the suggestion Lifetime Achievement Award (Dedication to Defending) Removed: Defender Unity Award Edited by WItchcraft and Sorcery, Jun 11 2017, 03:48 PM.
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| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 10 2017, 04:15 PM Post #2 |
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Just as a heads up - we're probably looking to change some of the names of these awards! |
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| Red Dusk | May 10 2017, 04:18 PM Post #3 |
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Ananke Award [Individual] (Spotting) Benevolence Award? --> (BT used to spot for an hour leading up to update, figure it's pretty accurate) Anarchotopia Award [Organization] (Invasion Prevention) --> Ravania Award, due to his sleeper network, maybe? The Blackbird Award [Organization] (Best Invaders) --> um... No idea. Not sure what caused Blackbird to have it named after them in the first place. Sir Lans Award [Individual] (Update Attendance) --> Vincent Drake Award maybe? He's basically always at update :p Edit: Ananke Award [Individual] (Spotting) --> Benevolent Thomas Award | Just changing the name to that of the player Anarchotopia Award [Organization] (Invasion Prevention) --> Insta-Jump Award | Chatted with folks in vc about the original name I gave. Predator Award [Organization] (Best Invaders) --> Predator Award | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sir Lans Award [Individual] (Update Attendance) --> I'm here! Award | 
Edited by Red Dusk, May 10 2017, 04:40 PM.
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 10 2017, 07:53 PM Post #4 |
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Forgot Defender of the Year |
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| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 12 2017, 11:44 AM Post #5 |
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I like the (revised) suggestions. I'm still open to ideas, though, and we can talk about it a bit. Let's try to decide within a week or so though. I want to have a final list of awards so we can have something to give whoever's going to make images. |
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 12 2017, 02:24 PM Post #6 |
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Ananke Award -> Spyglass Award Anarchotopia Award -> Invasion Prevention Award The Blackbird Award -> Eliminate Award (none of them are good anymore) Sir Lans Award -> Updater Award Edited by Benevolent Thomas, May 12 2017, 02:25 PM.
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| Deadeye Jack | May 12 2017, 03:17 PM Post #7 |
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I would like to see an award that recognizes the Triggerers or Liberation Leaders specifically. As for what to call it idk |
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 12 2017, 05:35 PM Post #8 |
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Liberation Leaders are often receive recognition as "Defender of the Year" and eventually "Lifetime Achievement Award". Historically, these people also were the triggermen. If that is no longer the case, we can make a "Liberator of the Year" to encompass this area of defending. |
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| Guy | May 13 2017, 06:35 AM Post #9 |
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With regards to the structure of the awards, I think the biggest question is how many individual awards we want, and whether the categories reflect modern defending tasks and the current achievements of defenders. Right now, we have: Defender of the Year [individual] (self-explanatory) Ananke Award [Individual] (Spotting) Sir Lans Award [Individual] (Update Attendance) Defender Unity Award [Individual] (Unifying Defenders for the cause) Best Defender Mentor [Individual] (Training New Defenders) I think there was rightly concern raised relating to whether those who work on liberations are adequately represented in the mix above. While these days DOTY (and maybe Lifetime Achievement) are likely to recognise liberators/triggerers, I don't think that this was the case at all historically. So perhaps a broad "Liberation Award" - which could cover organisation, contacting defenders, triggering, managing communication channels - may be worthwhile. It has been suggested for a number of years that we should have a "Tech" award. I think that's a very good idea. In today's R/D, the level of tools that you use is quite strongly related to your capability. We are all aware of the sheer amount of hard work that's put into developing tech tools. So I think it would be a huge oversight not to have one of those. If we are looking to name it after an individual, Eluvatar is the first name that pops in my mind, but of course there may be other worthwhile suggestions. We should consider dropping the Defender Unity Award, in my opinion. The Award reflected a time when defending was recovering from a fractious period, when many of us did not see eye-to-eye at all. That's not the case now, and I think that there's very little work that needs to be done in promoting defender unity. My preliminary list for consideration, then, would be: Defender of the Year [individual] (self-explanatory) Ananke Award [Individual] (Spotting) Sir Lans Award [Individual] (Update Attendance) Best Defender Mentor [Individual] (Training New Defenders) Eluvatar Award [Individual] (Tech) <Name Required> Award [Individual] (Liberations) With regards to renamings, I think they have to be carefully thought over. There have been several suggestions that I do not think reflect a sufficient level of consideration. These awards are almost a decade old, and will hopefully continue going on for another decade or more. They shouldn't be named after the person who would win them right now, but to honour someone who has been known for many years, and will continue to be known many years from now. Some renamings to reflect contributions made since the awards were originally named is a good thing. Indeed, some renamings already occurred during the life of some awards. If we are looking for new names, I would strongly consider past winners of the Lifetime Achievement Award. |
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 14 2017, 02:38 PM Post #10 |
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I can get behind the Eluvatar Award. I also agree with scrapping the Defender Unity Award. Liberator of the Year should be named the Karputsk Award. The Anarchtopia needs renamed, because even I don't really know anything about them. FRA and TITO have dominated this award historically, so it should be named after one of their more storied leaders. Or perhaps name it The FRA Award to pay homage to the organization that gave us these awards as well as many of the best defenders in our history. Thinking over it, I think Newcomer of the Year should go back to being awarded to one group or individual. Although new defender orgs are still being created, I do believe the age of defender fracturing has ended and we can get away with choosing to elect an individual defender over an entire organization if we deem them worthy. I do think an argument can be made for the return of the Dipes award given the resurgence of offensive operations by defender organizations. Perhaps rename it the Numero Capitan award. WASC might be able to make a comeback. I see that Unibot has tried to stir up activity in the SC and I think we too should encourage authors to emerge and see to it that our best get international recognition for their deeds. Edited by Benevolent Thomas, May 14 2017, 02:48 PM.
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| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 14 2017, 02:53 PM Post #11 |
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Eluvatar Award - definitely. I don't think there's anyone better to name such an award after, and in this technical age it's only appropriate. I also like Guy's suggestion in that we should stick with naming awards after longtime leaders in the community, or, alternatively, not name them after individuals at all, as has been suggested before. I think naming them after individuals is ok if we make sure the namings are appropriate and we make it very clear why we're naming them after that individual. Some of the original namesakes have been forgotten somewhat in the years since the last defender awards, and that can't happen. These people were important, y'all. I like the idea of recognizing liberators as well, and I'd definitely be cool with naming it after Karp. There have been a lot of offensive ops in the last few months - how did the Dipes Award work? Was it awarded to an individual or did it recognize a particular operation? I could definitely support such an award though. What do you have in mind for the WASC BT? Do you mean recognizing SC authors? That might be really cool as well. |
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 14 2017, 03:01 PM Post #12 |
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WASC Award was for authors, yes. The Dipes Award was awarded to individuals for their work in Intelligence. |
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| Abraxim | May 14 2017, 03:03 PM Post #13 |
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Are these awards for all of the defender world, or just this one? |
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| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 14 2017, 03:09 PM Post #14 |
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BT, Dyr and I were also talking about bringing back the Eagles Disobey Award, which is awarded to an organization that has done the utmost to keep free regions free. This was merged into the Anarchotopia Award some time ago, but as it stands now there are lots of awards recognizing individuals and relatively few recognizing organizations. Might be nice to have some designed to recognize whole defender orgs for their outstanding work. EDIT: Abraxim, any defender, individual or organization, is eligible for these awards. Edited by WItchcraft and Sorcery, May 14 2017, 03:10 PM.
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| Benevolent Thomas | May 14 2017, 03:10 PM Post #15 |
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All defenders. |
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| Abraxim | May 14 2017, 03:19 PM Post #16 |
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Okay, I wanted to give my thoughts on the subject. When it comes to naming, keep to what has been done before with the various awards and categories. Defenders read the Awards, Invaders, People we have no clue who do, also do. If I recall in the past, the Awards were either very simply and directly named, or they had a name that was pretty clear why it was named the way it did. They were all well understood. If we stray from the historic naming methods, by giving the names of the awards after people, then it should be very clear why the award was changed that way, or simply keep the direct name, and put in parenthesis underneath (the Karp Award), So people can associate the two. While most of us may know Karp, and his works, many will not. While it is important that future generations of defenders and raiders alike may look at these awards for a sense of the gameplay this year, adding unnecessary complexity and history behind the naming itself isn't really the best approach. Direct and clear cut always works. On that note, what people do like are stories. In times past, at least every year when I have read the Awards, there is a direct list of names and really that is about it. Its cool that the awards happen, but honestly, it is kind of boring. I say we spice it up. Instead of giving a list of awards and names, we do something like this: The 2017 Defender Awards -Speech on Why Defending is Relevent to Gameplay - Story of What Happened Award Winner Story of What Happened Award Winner Story of what Happened Award Winner Etc Etc. -Conclusion Speech- |
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| Abraxim | May 14 2017, 03:26 PM Post #17 |
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Since it wont let me edit my post, Ill say this about my previous post: By including a short story about what happened for the person to give the award, that also affords us the award givers the chance to associate the name of the award itself with something profoundly historic. It tells the story, and makes the award more of a valued commodity. |
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| Guy | May 15 2017, 01:41 AM Post #18 |
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I agree with what BT and W&S above said. The Dipes/NuCa and WASC Awards might be less prominent right now, but I think that those areas are on an upwards trajectory that we should be promoting. So I can get behind having them. Moving to one recepient of the Newcomer Award makes sense to me, but hopefully we won't keep moving back-and-forth to reflect whether or not we think there is a new org that merits it We need to strike a balance between the desire to keep the awards list static (Oscar-style) and reflecting changes in defending, imo.Karputsk would be good to name the Liberator Award after. I think Dyr would also be a good name. Just to flag something about the Sir Lans Award - it's supposed to reflect effort made in update attendance. I think that in the past it's been occasionally misinterpreted. Leading update missions etc is quite adequately reflected in the other awards. I'd lean towards framing it even more strongly as such, and maybe even making clear it's not just people leading missions who should be eligible - otherwise it does end up being quite duplicitous. With regards to Eagles Disobey, do some organisations spend much more of their time at "ensuring free regions stay free"? The reason it was scrapped is that it was quite hard to differentiate between the contenders for Eagles Disobey and Anarchtopia. Edited by Guy, May 15 2017, 01:44 AM.
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| WItchcraft and Sorcery | May 16 2017, 11:06 AM Post #19 |
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That was my worry re: Eagles Disobey. I feel like there's not enough of a distinction between the two, and I'm not quite sure I even feel like I can adequately explain it. I do think there needs to be at least one more award for organizations though. Suggestions? Let's aim to get final details hammered out in the next couple days. I want to have enough time to get awards and everything prepared, but I need a full list before work can really start there. |
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| Roavin | May 16 2017, 05:15 PM Post #20 |
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I just had this discussion with Guy earlier, this would be the separation: - The Anarchotopia Award is for the group best at spotting and defending raids as they happen - The Eagles Disobey Award is for the group that best works with vulnerable regions to make them less vulnerable So the difference is, I feel, quite clear; unfortunately we (as defenders) haven't done much of the latter recently. Solidarity did some of it, and we're hoping to get more of that going using the Office of Native Outreach, but you can't really give an award for something that wasn't really done
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