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Democratic National Convention
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 25 2016, 07:20 PM (524 Views)
Adytus	Jul 25 2016, 07:20 PM Post #1
Blessed of the Vale Posts: 2,614 Group: Necromancer of Arbitration Member #361 Joined: Jun 27, 2016	It starts in two hours! I know Loft will be watching! I'm looking forward to it, and I'm glad the chief of the DNC stepped down. She needed to go. I knew she was not a nice person way before those emails came out, but I don't think that will have any impact on the election. EDIT: and the headline on CNN right now is "Russia meddling with the election?" Edited by Adytus, Jul 25 2016, 07:22 PM.

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Loftegen	Jul 29 2016, 08:07 PM Post #21
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	New Rogernomics Jul 26 2016, 03:38 AM If you want free and fair elections, it is near impossible under first past the post and a two party system. This statement is stupid. Free elections are elections in which anyone can participate, as candidates or voters; not just members of the Communist Party, for example. Fair elections are elections in which the same rules apply to everyone. First past the post is as "free and fair" as any other system. You're just bitching about outcomes.



Kowassati	Jul 30 2016, 05:05 PM Post #22
Jameliscustablet Kenwasadak at your service Posts: 983 Group: Members Member #378 Joined: Jul 19, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Nation in Lazarus Kowassati Discord Kowassati	Campinia Jul 29 2016, 03:29 PM Kowassati Jul 26 2016, 06:16 AM New Rogernomics Jul 26 2016, 03:38 AM Don't like Clinton, Trump and Sanders. But my vote doesn't count anyway. If you want free and fair elections, it is near impossible under first past the post and a two party system. Everyone needs to vote. Don't neglect your right to do so AFAIK, Roger's not an American citizen He's welcome to visit. You know maybe stay a while, get citizenship, vote, etc



Adytus	Jul 31 2016, 10:06 AM Post #23
Blessed of the Vale Posts: 2,614 Group: Necromancer of Arbitration Member #361 Joined: Jun 27, 2016	Kowassati Jul 30 2016, 05:05 PM Campinia Jul 29 2016, 03:29 PM Kowassati Jul 26 2016, 06:16 AM New Rogernomics Jul 26 2016, 03:38 AM Don't like Clinton, Trump and Sanders. But my vote doesn't count anyway. If you want free and fair elections, it is near impossible under first past the post and a two party system. Everyone needs to vote. Don't neglect your right to do so AFAIK, Roger's not an American citizen He's welcome to visit. You know maybe stay a while, get citizenship, vote, etc His county is welcome to become a state too if it would like.



Adytus	Jul 31 2016, 10:06 AM Post #24
Blessed of the Vale Posts: 2,614 Group: Necromancer of Arbitration Member #361 Joined: Jun 27, 2016	I think Bill Clinton gave a great speech about his wife by the way.



Andrew	Jul 31 2016, 05:18 PM Post #25
I wanna be a Dinosaur Posts: 895 Group: Accused Member #27 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Adytus Jul 31 2016, 10:06 AM I think Bill Clinton gave a great speech about his wife by the way. And some will most likely ask - "If she so great, why'd yall cheat on her den? " XD



Loftegen	Jul 31 2016, 08:27 PM Post #26
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Andrew Jul 31 2016, 05:18 PM Adytus Jul 31 2016, 10:06 AM I think Bill Clinton gave a great speech about his wife by the way. And some will most likely ask - "If she so great, why'd yall cheat on her den? " XD Some were asking that the second those words left Bill's mouth! Another good one is: How can Hillary be a change maker, and represent the status quo at the same time?



Frankender	Jul 31 2016, 11:54 PM Post #27
Hawk Posts: 564 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: Mar 10, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Liberal	Loftegen Jul 31 2016, 08:27 PM Andrew Jul 31 2016, 05:18 PM Adytus Jul 31 2016, 10:06 AM I think Bill Clinton gave a great speech about his wife by the way. And some will most likely ask - "If she so great, why'd yall cheat on her den? " XD Some were asking that the second those words left Bill's mouth! Another good one is: How can Hillary be a change maker, and represent the status quo at the same time? @Andrew Just because she's good at politics doesn't mean she's attractive. But lol, not much is going to change under Hillary. I believe most people can agree there will be far bigger changes under Trump. Whether or not it turns out for the better is a different question.



New Rogernomics	Aug 1 2016, 02:31 PM Post #28
Ghost of Kitties Past Posts: 2,732 Group: Citizen Member #174 Joined: Jul 2, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Rogernomics Discord NewRogernomics	Campinia Jul 29 2016, 03:29 PM Kowassati Jul 26 2016, 06:16 AM New Rogernomics Jul 26 2016, 03:38 AM Don't like Clinton, Trump and Sanders. But my vote doesn't count anyway. If you want free and fair elections, it is near impossible under first past the post and a two party system. Everyone needs to vote. Don't neglect your right to do so AFAIK, Roger's not an American citizen Actually I am a dual national. Get to vote in the US (as I am living here), but not New Zealand (as I am not living there).



New Rogernomics	Aug 1 2016, 02:47 PM Post #29
Ghost of Kitties Past Posts: 2,732 Group: Citizen Member #174 Joined: Jul 2, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Rogernomics Discord NewRogernomics	Loftegen Jul 29 2016, 08:07 PM New Rogernomics Jul 26 2016, 03:38 AM If you want free and fair elections, it is near impossible under first past the post and a two party system. This statement is stupid. Free elections are elections in which anyone can participate, as candidates or voters; not just members of the Communist Party, for example. Fair elections are elections in which the same rules apply to everyone. First past the post is as "free and fair" as any other system. You're just bitching about outcomes. You can't have free and fair elections under First Past the Post, due to the large waste of party and electorate votes, and the bias of the system towards the two major parties. I will leave it to John Clease to explain how First Past the Post is really a really bad joke: Rules don't 'apply to everyone', as they are selective and penalize smaller parties trying to get in. It would be 'stupid' to not want proportional representation. Edited by New Rogernomics, Aug 1 2016, 02:56 PM.



Loftegen	Aug 1 2016, 07:40 PM Post #30
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	New Rogernomics Aug 1 2016, 02:47 PM You can't have free and fair elections under First Past the Post, due to the large waste of party and electorate votes, and the bias of the system towards the two major parties. I will leave it to John Clease to explain how First Past the Post is really a really bad joke. Rules don't 'apply to everyone', as they are selective and penalize smaller parties trying to get in. It would be 'stupid' to not want proportional representation. Once again, you ignore what 'free and fair elections' actually means (everyone gets one vote, and anyone can stand for office), and claim instead that 'free and fair elections' means 'I get the outcome I want'. On John Cleese: it was an interesting presentation, but his final points were a bit dubious. 1) We should do PR because everyone else is doing PR - not a rational argument, rather an appeal to popularity. 2) We'll have greater stability - maybe, maybe not. When that video was made, Italy was infamous for having more governments since WW2 than there had been years since WW2. 3) Coalition gov'ts doing better in Europe (at the moment) - maybe, but maybe not. Correlation does not imply causation. 4) Several local MPs. The UK is small compared to the US. At the time the video was made, there was roughly one MP for every 94 thousand people. At the same time in the US, there was roughly one Representative for every 552 thousand people. I agree we need more representatives: two or three times as many, but that's another matter. 5) More women and minorities in Parliament - a racist, sexist, generally bigoted argument that people can only be represented by people who look like them. The guy in the second video made some interesting points, but again, his main interest seemed to be in changing the outcomes of elections. And he made the same racist, sexist, bigoted argument that you can only be represented by someone of your own race and gender. Seriously, if you want to get the people closer to their representatives, just increase the number of said representatives. And stop changing the meaning of 'free and fair' to suit your political narrative.



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