Request for review: Grand Advisors Reconfirmation

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Request for review: Grand Advisors Reconfirmation
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Altmoras	May 8 2016, 12:25 PM Post #1
Former Something Posts: 2,725 Group: Members Member #290 Joined: Mar 19, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Crazy Panda	Quote: (5) The Grand Assembly shall vote on confidence in the Grand Advisors every four months. Any Grand Advisor who does not receive the confidence of a majority shall be recalled. How I interpret the law is that the Grand Advisors are to be reconfirmed every 4 months and a vote of no confidence results in their recall. However, from what I can find unless the thread is hiding somewhere or was deleted the last reconfirmation vote was 7 months ago. The law seems to state what happens with a vote of confidence and a vote of no confidence but what happens when there is no vote at all? It seems that they haven't lost the confidence of the Assembly, but they also haven't received it. Please correct me as well if I just did a dumb and couldn't find a more recent reconfirmation or if I'm missing something else obvious.



Amerion	May 8 2016, 04:21 PM Post #2
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	In my personal opinion, this is not a question of Constitution or law and thus does not fall within the jurisdiction of the Grand Court. The Mandate is unambiguous, there should be a vote on confidence every 4 months. As to why that has not occurred recently is beyond this Court to determine. I recall that there was a brief discussion in the Grand Assembly regarding this matter a number of months ago. That discussion appears to have been overtaken with what I am assuming, was more pressing concerns at that time, and was relocated to 'past discussions'. I advise you bring this up with the acting-Director of Ceremonies or create a thread in the Assembly to highlight this issue. Edit: I reread the opening post and noticed that I did not answer the question you posed. The Mandate does not specify what would happen if a vote does not occur. There is no enforcement mechanism. Hypothetically, the Court could compel with urgency the compliance of this clause in the Mandate but it would ultimately be up to the Grand Assembly to act and fulfil their Constitutional duty. Edited by Amerion, May 8 2016, 04:29 PM.



Loftegen	May 9 2016, 07:28 AM Post #3
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Altmoras May 8 2016, 12:25 PM Quote: (5) The Grand Assembly shall vote on confidence in the Grand Advisors every four months. Any Grand Advisor who does not receive the confidence of a majority shall be recalled. How I interpret the law is that the Grand Advisors are to be reconfirmed every 4 months and a vote of no confidence results in their recall. However, from what I can find unless the thread is hiding somewhere or was deleted the last reconfirmation vote was 7 months ago. The law seems to state what happens with a vote of confidence and a vote of no confidence but what happens when there is no vote at all? It seems that they haven't lost the confidence of the Assembly, but they also haven't received it. Please correct me as well if I just did a dumb and couldn't find a more recent reconfirmation or if I'm missing something else obvious. Silence implies consent, as they say. In other words, the Grand Advisors are presumed to have the confidence of the Grand Assembly, because the Grand Assembly did not hold a vote on the matter. Also, I believe an amendment has been proposed to address this matter.



Constie	May 9 2016, 12:09 PM Post #4
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	I think the Mandate is pretty clear in this case. A vote of confidence should be held every 4 months



Altmoras	May 9 2016, 12:39 PM Post #5
Former Something Posts: 2,725 Group: Members Member #290 Joined: Mar 19, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Crazy Panda	Constie May 9 2016, 12:09 PM I think the Mandate is pretty clear in this case. A vote of confidence should be held every 4 months I apologize if I was unclear. I understand the requirement. My question was what happens when the vote isn't held? Edited by Altmoras, May 9 2016, 12:40 PM.



Aguero	May 9 2016, 12:42 PM Post #6
Taeyeon's Bae Posts: 1,228 Group: Citizen Member #218 Joined: Oct 31, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Evil Military Stance Mercenary Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Caldariat	Nothing. There are no stated consequences.



Altmoras	May 9 2016, 12:45 PM Post #7
Former Something Posts: 2,725 Group: Members Member #290 Joined: Mar 19, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Crazy Panda	Caldariat May 9 2016, 12:42 PM Nothing. There are no stated consequences. I was kinda asking the Court on that one, but thanks for your input. I do have a question for you though Cal, why haven't you held the vote at any point in your tenure as DDoC?



Aguero	May 9 2016, 12:49 PM Post #8
Taeyeon's Bae Posts: 1,228 Group: Citizen Member #218 Joined: Oct 31, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Evil Military Stance Mercenary Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Caldariat	Altmoras May 9 2016, 12:45 PM Caldariat May 9 2016, 12:42 PM Nothing. There are no stated consequences. I was kinda asking the Court on that one, but thanks for your input. I do have a question for you though Cal, why haven't you held the vote at any point in your tenure as DDoC? Although I had seen it in the mandate no DoC was really doing it so I assumed we got rid of it or something.



Altmoras	May 9 2016, 12:56 PM Post #9
Former Something Posts: 2,725 Group: Members Member #290 Joined: Mar 19, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Crazy Panda	Caldariat May 9 2016, 12:49 PM Altmoras May 9 2016, 12:45 PM Caldariat May 9 2016, 12:42 PM Nothing. There are no stated consequences. I was kinda asking the Court on that one, but thanks for your input. I do have a question for you though Cal, why haven't you held the vote at any point in your tenure as DDoC? Although I had seen it in the mandate no DoC was really doing it so I assumed we got rid of it or something. That's a fair assessment, thanks for answering.



Yuno	May 9 2016, 04:19 PM Post #10
Lazarene Posts: 287 Group: Members Member #326 Joined: May 2, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Lolita Queen Discord Yuno	Let's do it!



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