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| Court Inquiry re: GOF; Court Inquiry into alleged criminal activities | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 15 2016, 12:28 PM (1,056 Views) | |
| Amerion | Apr 15 2016, 12:28 PM Post #1 |
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The full bench of the Court is in agreement that proceedings will go forward to reexamine the feasibility of perusing a criminal case into the alleged crimes committed by what is commonly known as the Gang of Five. For the record, the Court acknowledges a prior criminal complaint filed by The Church of Satan as being the basis for this inquiry. The complaint filed accuses Stujenske, Feux, Pergamon, Milograd/Yao, A Mean Old Man of aggression, harassment, subversion, conspiracy, fraud, forum destruction, and deserting the then administration. At this time, the Court seeks a citizen of Lazarus to come forward and volunteer their services as a representative of the public and to operate in the capacity of prosecutor for the duration of this case. |
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| Amerion | May 17 2016, 09:04 AM Post #21 |
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(The following is my own opinion and does not reflect a consensus opinion by the Court) Hi Pierconium, Nonsense, you are more than welcome to post here, as is anyone for that matter. It was difficult for the Court to examine every detail as we were restricted from areas in the NPO forum (which removed/hid sections relating to the 'NLO' and banned the search term) and the then-Lazarus forum (which we could not get permission to view what I am assuming is information which may have had some bearing on this case). These constraints are by no means ideal and in the real world, we would have subpoenaed the information. However, NPO granting us access to those records were unlikely given the nature of their involvement in the affair as well as the current relationship between Lazarus and The Pacific. Similarly, it is reasonable to conclude that any administrators of the then-forum of Lazarus who could have given us the necessary access would not be available as those who would have been willing would have been part of the government-in-exile and removed from the positions at the height of the coup. I acknowledge this limitation may have had an influence in our decision and most definitely restricted our investigation into areas where we could access. Should any party bring forward information pertaining to this case which is substantial and compelling to a degree which can be presumed to satisfy a basis for reevaluation, the Court would certainly welcome it. I note that while this ruling is final, there is a possibility of a re-trial in the future if the aforementioned criteria are met. I understand your concern with regards to the grouping of these nations. If they had been any other nations, I would agree with your premise. However the Court interprets the facts to be that these individuals formed the decision making group of what was then the government of the New Lazarene Order. The events of that period would it have been possible without Stujenske, as the Chairman of that time, granting A Mean Old Man control of the region, with the collective influence of Milograd, Feux, and Pergamon positioning the AMON as 'Emperor'. The latter of whom declared his guilt in the NPO section (which was interestingly not one which was hidden from viewing by the NPO administration). Forum destruction is indeed not a charge to be dealt with lightly but the Court found the explanation provided in the ruling to be sufficient. As Emperor of the New Pacific Order, I hope you will emphasize with the collective feeling of this region as one which had been deeply hurt by the actions of some of our most trusted members in collusion with the Order and that you will interpret this ruling in the context of Lazarus. It was not handed down with consideration paid to how the gameplay community would view it, it was handed down to ensure justice was done for the suffering these individuals caused to the community. Anyways, that's the end of my little ramble, I'd be happy to answer anymore questions or concerns you have though 
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| Greater Moldavi | May 17 2016, 09:18 AM Post #22 |
Tyrant (Ret.)
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I was not approached regarding information that may be available on the NPO forum, but I would be happy to discuss it. Of course, the perception would likely be that the evidence has been tampered with to exclude certain actions, at least I would think about that as a possibility. That said, in a quick review of the posts on the NPO forum, I can find no reference to the deletion as a topic of discussion or joint decision. Aside from that, you presented zero evidence of forum destruction by even the primary culprit and zero evidence of collusion in that action by the other accused nations. Actions that took place afterwards that were coordinated do not necessarily indicate coordination from the outset, especially without any sort of supporting evidence to even imply it. I am not disputing the other findings of the Court, or the legitimacy of the charges as a whole, but grouping players together for something as serious as forum destruction without any form of evidence to support it seems a bit much. I daresay most people would agree with me that calling Pergamon (or Feux or AMOM) forum destroyers based on Stujenske deleting a post that could be duplicated is a bit much. |
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| Loftegen | May 17 2016, 09:50 AM Post #23 |
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Well, when you're informed of the charges against you, and invited to appear and defend yourself, but decline to do so, you really can't complain too much. Especially in a case that has dragged on as long as this one has. |
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| Greater Moldavi | May 17 2016, 10:18 AM Post #24 |
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Tyrant (Ret.)
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Be that as it may, trials in absentia should still be fair, impartial, and reliant on evidence, correct? Even my trials have evidence. |
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| Campinia | May 17 2016, 02:25 PM Post #25 |
Lazarene
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Feux did take the PRL forum offline entirely for several days, though admittedly he restored it later on. |
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| Greater Moldavi | May 17 2016, 03:06 PM Post #26 |
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Tyrant (Ret.)
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Taking a forum offline has never been considered the same as destroying a forum as far as I have ever encountered in any similar context. That doesn't really address my point, however, as that was not listed as evidence against the accused by the Court. Just because some players could not be bothered to show up for a trial that was seemingly politically pushed for after over a year does not equate to automatic guilt to random and unspecific charges. At least not in most regions. As I said in my first comment, I don't see any of the other charges as OOC, but forum destruction definitely carries OOC connotations with it and if that is not what actually occurred, or if those that you have decided to find guilty of it did not actually take part or apparently consent or have any input whatsoever in the action then declaring them guilty of what is more or less considered by many as equivalent to a RL crime seems a bit much. It just seems a bit of a stretch with consequences that go far beyond the unfortunate events that took place here last April. |
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| Greater Moldavi | May 17 2016, 03:37 PM Post #27 |
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May I ask the Court where I can find the definition of 'interested party' as it pertains to proceedings herein? |
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| Constie | May 17 2016, 04:10 PM Post #28 |
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court
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http://nslazarus.com/archive/NSLazarus/topic/8082155/1/#new And you are more then welcome to appeal the case. Anyone can be an "interested party" |
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| Greater Moldavi | May 17 2016, 05:06 PM Post #29 |
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Tyrant (Ret.)
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Thank you. I was aware of the ULC but was hoping for a list of definitions. I have posted an appeal: http://nslazarus.com/archive/NSLazarus/topic/8437415/1 |
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| Campinia | May 19 2016, 12:56 PM Post #30 |
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Lazarene
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Except when Zaolat took down Osiris' (former) forums, that was absolutely treated as the same thing as forum destruction, even after he got it restored. There have been other cases as well that I can't recall all the details of, as far as I remember there was something with 94 (now 95) Block taking down (one of) Grand Central's forums... Edited by Campinia, May 19 2016, 12:56 PM.
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