Request for review: Loftegen's appointment of "acting" cabinet members

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Request for review: Loftegen's appointment of "acting" cabinet members
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 6 2016, 09:13 PM (601 Views)
Funkadelia	Apr 6 2016, 09:13 PM Post #1
Posts: 2,155 Group: King of the Undead Member #86 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Socialist Nation in Lazarus Funkadelia	If it pleases the court, I hereby submit the following actions by Sovereign Loftegen to the court for review. On 6 April 2016, Loftegen made an address regarding the absence of current Grand Commandant of the Guards Kazmr and, to the point of contention in this court, appointed Horse as "acting" grand commandant. I posit that this action is illegal under the Constitution of Lazarus, based on the following clause: Quote: (5) The Sovereign shall nominate ministers and the Grand Assembly may confirm such nominees by a majority vote. Allowing the Sovereign to appoint "acting" cabinet officials allows them to circumvent the requirement of having the citizens vote on their nomination for as long as they feel. I submit this government policy to the court for review. Edited by Funkadelia, Apr 6 2016, 09:13 PM.

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Horse	Apr 8 2016, 08:41 PM Post #21
possibly the only jew on NS Posts: 309 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Constie Apr 8 2016, 03:38 PM Another thing, I also doubt the legality of Loftegen's ability to appoint an officer, rather than asking Kazmr by telegram or conferring with the incumbent officers. Regardless of past service, the speed of Horse's ascent to being nominated for Grand Commandant indicates that the LLA is losing its ability to handle its internal affairs, which worries me a great deal. For the time being, i request that the Confirmation process for Horse be postponed until this matter can be investigated to its fullest extent. That literally makes no sense The LLA is not able to handle its internal affairs, so you're plan is to make the appointment of a guy on pretty much every night defending, AND one who has experience leading take longer? Yeah ok sure that's a good plan And with the speed of how the courts work here, sorry to say that I'm not confident that investigation would not take until the heat death of the Universe. Edited by Horse, Apr 8 2016, 08:44 PM.



Constie	Apr 8 2016, 10:28 PM Post #22
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Horse Apr 8 2016, 08:41 PM Constie Apr 8 2016, 03:38 PM Another thing, I also doubt the legality of Loftegen's ability to appoint an officer, rather than asking Kazmr by telegram or conferring with the incumbent officers. Regardless of past service, the speed of Horse's ascent to being nominated for Grand Commandant indicates that the LLA is losing its ability to handle its internal affairs, which worries me a great deal. For the time being, i request that the Confirmation process for Horse be postponed until this matter can be investigated to its fullest extent. That literally makes no sense The LLA is not able to handle its internal affairs, so you're plan is to make the appointment of a guy on pretty much every night defending, AND one who has experience leading take longer? Yeah ok sure that's a good plan And with the speed of how the courts work here, sorry to say that I'm not confident that investigation would not take until the heat death of the Universe. Calm down. I only request that you confirmation hearing be postponed. I don't contest your right to be Grand Commandant, but I do contest your right to be automatically appointed "acting GC" and the ability for the Sovereign to appoint regular officers



Lake Flotillas	Apr 9 2016, 01:57 AM Post #23
Also known as Rivercastle Posts: 1,310 Group: Members Member #181 Joined: Aug 2, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Nation in Lazarus Lake Flotillas	Oh hey, Kazmr's online.



Loftegen	Apr 9 2016, 05:06 AM Post #24
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Constie Apr 8 2016, 10:28 PM Horse Apr 8 2016, 08:41 PM Constie Apr 8 2016, 03:38 PM Another thing, I also doubt the legality of Loftegen's ability to appoint an officer, rather than asking Kazmr by telegram or conferring with the incumbent officers. Regardless of past service, the speed of Horse's ascent to being nominated for Grand Commandant indicates that the LLA is losing its ability to handle its internal affairs, which worries me a great deal. For the time being, i request that the Confirmation process for Horse be postponed until this matter can be investigated to its fullest extent. That literally makes no sense The LLA is not able to handle its internal affairs, so you're plan is to make the appointment of a guy on pretty much every night defending, AND one who has experience leading take longer? Yeah ok sure that's a good plan And with the speed of how the courts work here, sorry to say that I'm not confident that investigation would not take until the heat death of the Universe. Calm down. I only request that you confirmation hearing be postponed. I don't contest your right to be Grand Commandant, but I do contest your right to be automatically appointed "acting GC" and the ability for the Sovereign to appoint regular officers I respect your concerns. Horse does have a point though. I would think my nomination of him to the office of Grand Commandant would be an entirely seperate matter from my appointing him Acting Grand Commandant. However, I will comply with the Grand Court's official ruling on the matter, whatever it is. On the matter of delaying the confirmation process, I would think that falls to Dircetor of Cermonies Starberry's discretion.



Funkadelia	Apr 9 2016, 05:26 AM Post #25
Posts: 2,155 Group: King of the Undead Member #86 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Socialist Nation in Lazarus Funkadelia	It's not a separate matter because "Acting" anything does not exist under the provisions of the Constitution and it is contrary to the spirit of the law to circumvent the will of the people.



Constie	Apr 9 2016, 03:00 PM Post #26
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Lake Flotillas Apr 9 2016, 01:57 AM Oh hey, Kazmr's online. this just made the issue much more complicated.



Amerion	Apr 9 2016, 03:28 PM Post #27
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	Constie Apr 9 2016, 03:00 PM Lake Flotillas Apr 9 2016, 01:57 AM Oh hey, Kazmr's online. this just made the issue much more complicated. The legal question at hand does not change.



Aguero	Apr 9 2016, 05:37 PM Post #28
Taeyeon's Bae Posts: 1,228 Group: Citizen Member #218 Joined: Oct 31, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Evil Military Stance Mercenary Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Caldariat	Well.... 78% chance this might be abandoned later on... like the Gang of Five. Wait... why aren't you guys working on GOF?



Horse	Apr 9 2016, 05:49 PM Post #29
possibly the only jew on NS Posts: 309 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Constie Apr 9 2016, 03:00 PM Lake Flotillas Apr 9 2016, 01:57 AM Oh hey, Kazmr's online. this just made the issue much more complicated. "As my last act I would also like to make official Loft's promotion of Horse to Commandant of the Guards, so as not to trigger any constitutional issues with selecting a new commandant" Yeah it sure got a lot harder



Constie	Apr 9 2016, 05:56 PM Post #30
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Horse Apr 9 2016, 05:49 PM Constie Apr 9 2016, 03:00 PM Lake Flotillas Apr 9 2016, 01:57 AM Oh hey, Kazmr's online. this just made the issue much more complicated. "As my last act I would also like to make official Loft's promotion of Horse to Commandant of the Guards, so as not to trigger any constitutional issues with selecting a new commandant" Yeah it sure got a lot harder I did not see that at the time I posted. Now, this case has nothing to do you anymore.



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