Should Santa Claus be Banned?

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Should Santa Claus be banned?
Yes! Santa Claus Should be banned!	3 (42.9%)
No! Santa Claus should not be banned!	4 (57.1%)
Total Votes: 7

Should Santa Claus be Banned?; A discussion about a popular holiday character
Tweet Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 03:07 AM (280 Views)
Ethuoze	Feb 10 2016, 03:07 AM Post #1
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	So here is a thought I have been thinking for a few years: should Santa Claus be banned? I think that Santa claus teaches a lot of negative things to kids. He goes to countries without permission (Illegal Entry), He spies on people without their consent (stalking), breaks into people's homes (Breaking and entering),without people's consent, and leaving what you want to the expense of a stranger that could potentially leave dangerous items behind (Criminal Threat). All of these could be charged for felon. If Santa Claus was watched, he would be arrested on pretty much any country he was in. He is not doing good, but bad. The cultural custom of Santa Claus is unethical and counterproductive to the greater good. It is not only wrong to teach children to believe in the existence of a fictional character, it sets up an unhealthy mindset lacking in skepticism. But more concerningly, a criminal is being loved as a figure of goodness. Some may handwave this criminal behaviour away by saying Santa gives gifts. But it's a cruel lie that justifies the act of parents. It would be more healthy for children to be aware of having recieved gifts from their parents than to be told it came from a stalker with a habit of breaking into people's houses at night while everyone is sleeping. This cultural custom makes an unhealthy mindset while not fact-checking, and glorifies someone who would be despised and hated if anyone else were to take part in those same criminal actions that he does like stalking and breaking and entering. Santa Claus is teaching children that all of this is OK, and should be encouraged to make people "happy". This is absolutely unacceptable for the minds of children, and I think should be abolished immediately. If Santa Claus is not banned, then at least make sure your child knows from his first Christmas that Santa is NOT the one delivering those presents. Santa, I think, teaches very wrongful things to children, encourages felonies, and encourages lying, even if you don't celebrate Christmas. Edited by Ethuoze, Feb 10 2016, 03:59 AM.



Starberry	Feb 10 2016, 03:53 AM Post #2
Look At How She Sparkles Posts: 5,815 Group: Members Member #212 Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Neutral Political Views Crazy Panda Nation in Lazarus Starberries	1.) The act of entering a country without permission is Illegal Entry not Treason. Treason is the act of betraying your country. 2.) Breaking and Entering and Burglary both require a lack of permission in the acts. The cookies and milk that santa takes are, traditionally, left out for him to eat. Which is a clear invitation for him to do so, and since they're laid out inside the home it can be seen as an invitation for him to enter. Which gives him permission both to take the cookies and to enter the home. 3.) Criminal Threatening requires malicious intent on the part of the one doing the threatening. You would be hard pressed to prove that Santa, who comes into your home and gives you the things that you ask for has the malicious intent required for the threats to be a thing. 4.) Stalking requires the victim to feel a fear for their own safety, or the safety of others, or the sufferance of emotional distress. There is also a definition (now somewhat outdated) that requires the stalker to be obsessed with the victim. With the exception of sufferers of Santaphobia it is unlikely that anyone has ever felt true emotional distress at the concept of Santa watching them, and it is even more unlikely that anyone has ever felt fear for their own physical safety.



Ethuoze	Feb 10 2016, 03:54 AM Post #3
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	Starberry Feb 10 2016, 03:53 AM 1.) The act of entering a country without permission is Illegal Entry not Treason. Treason is the act of betraying your country. 2.) Breaking and Entering and Burglary both require a lack of permission in the acts. The cookies and milk that santa takes are, traditionally, left out for him to eat. Which is a clear invitation for him to do so, and since they're laid out inside the home it can be seen as an invitation for him to enter. Which gives him permission both to take the cookies and to enter the home. 3.) Criminal Threatening requires malicious intent on the part of the one doing the threatening. You would be hard pressed to prove that Santa, who comes into your home and gives you the things that you ask for has the malicious intent required for the threats to be a thing. 4.) Stalking requires the victim to feel a fear for their own safety, or the safety of others, or the sufferance of emotional distress. There is also a definition (now somewhat outdated) that requires the stalker to be obsessed with the victim. With the exception of sufferers of Santaphobia it is unlikely that anyone has ever felt true emotional distress at the concept of Santa watching them, and it is even more unlikely that anyone has ever felt fear for their own physical safety. Very well. I will correct myself in the post.



Ethuoze	Feb 10 2016, 03:57 AM Post #4
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	Starberry Feb 10 2016, 03:53 AM 1.) The act of entering a country without permission is Illegal Entry not Treason. Treason is the act of betraying your country. 2.) Breaking and Entering and Burglary both require a lack of permission in the acts. The cookies and milk that santa takes are, traditionally, left out for him to eat. Which is a clear invitation for him to do so, and since they're laid out inside the home it can be seen as an invitation for him to enter. Which gives him permission both to take the cookies and to enter the home. 3.) Criminal Threatening requires malicious intent on the part of the one doing the threatening. You would be hard pressed to prove that Santa, who comes into your home and gives you the things that you ask for has the malicious intent required for the threats to be a thing. 4.) Stalking requires the victim to feel a fear for their own safety, or the safety of others, or the sufferance of emotional distress. There is also a definition (now somewhat outdated) that requires the stalker to be obsessed with the victim. With the exception of sufferers of Santaphobia it is unlikely that anyone has ever felt true emotional distress at the concept of Santa watching them, and it is even more unlikely that anyone has ever felt fear for their own physical safety. However, concerning your fourth point, I can tell you firsthand that a lot of children do fear the fact that "He knows when you are sleeping and when you are awake", and have told me that this is "scary" for them. However, most of these kids like the general idea about Santa Claus.



Starberry	Feb 10 2016, 04:09 AM Post #5
Look At How She Sparkles Posts: 5,815 Group: Members Member #212 Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Neutral Political Views Crazy Panda Nation in Lazarus Starberries	I worked in daycare for several years, and only ever had very few children focus on that aspect of the legend, and usually it's only until they get to the part when they realize that santa is a present bringer, and then they no longer care.



Ethuoze	Feb 10 2016, 01:07 PM Post #6
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	Starberry Feb 10 2016, 04:09 AM I worked in daycare for several years, and only ever had very few children focus on that aspect of the legend, and usually it's only until they get to the part when they realize that santa is a present bringer, and then they no longer care. Well, I guess it's only luck for me then. However, I want you to remember that these issues I talked about is what kids will see it as. If they think that it's "for the greater good", they will break and enter in order to do "good things". That's my point anyway.



Starberry	Feb 10 2016, 09:07 PM Post #7
Look At How She Sparkles Posts: 5,815 Group: Members Member #212 Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Neutral Political Views Crazy Panda Nation in Lazarus Starberries	I would love to see some statistical data on how many people have broken into other people's houses because of Santa Claus.



Ethuoze	Feb 10 2016, 10:40 PM Post #8
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	Starberry Feb 10 2016, 09:07 PM I would love to see some statistical data on how many people have broken into other people's houses because of Santa Claus. I would love to too. However, I do not tHowever, just because we don't have it does not mean it does not exist. The number might not be much, but is still a number. As I discussed, Santa Claus can indeed influence the minds of children to do things that someone else would not do. And if that child is not logical, either as a child or an adult, it can still happen.



Starberry	Feb 11 2016, 12:21 AM Post #9
Look At How She Sparkles Posts: 5,815 Group: Members Member #212 Joined: Oct 12, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Neutral Political Views Crazy Panda Nation in Lazarus Starberries	Ethuoze Feb 10 2016, 01:07 PM I want you to remember that these issues I talked about is what kids will see it as. If they think that it's "for the greater good", they will break and enter in order to do "good things". That's my point anyway. Proof?



Ethuoze	Feb 11 2016, 12:38 AM Post #10
I am officially 2 Stalins. Isn't that nice? Posts: 622 Group: Members Member #249 Joined: Dec 15, 2015	Starberry Feb 11 2016, 12:21 AM Ethuoze Feb 10 2016, 01:07 PM I want you to remember that these issues I talked about is what kids will see it as. If they think that it's "for the greater good", they will break and enter in order to do "good things". That's my point anyway. Proof? Clever. Veeeeery clever. However, I do not need proof. It is basic common sense. If children imitate the most dangerous things in Cartoons and Movies, then what's the difference? If anything, it would be a stronger sensation than the Cartoons or movies, since this character is supposedly actually real.



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