Gang of Five Ruling: What Now?

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Gang of Five Ruling: What Now?
Tweet Topic Started: Dec 13 2015, 10:47 PM (1,469 Views)
Milograd	Dec 13 2015, 10:47 PM Post #1
Heir Hazard Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #198 Joined: Sep 22, 2015	Files were charged against "the Gang of Five" (as one person) in late September...and it's December now. The Chief Justice presiding over the case has resigned, judgement has been delayed thrice over, and the initial trial was remarkably disorganized to begin with. What's the plan now?

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The Church of Satan	Feb 17 2016, 09:15 PM Post #61
I HAVE CHORTLES! Posts: 861 Group: Accused Member #7 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Lazarus CoS	Juries don't work in NS courts. It wastes a lot of time and nothing would get done anyways.



Milograd	Feb 18 2016, 02:25 AM Post #62
Heir Hazard Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #198 Joined: Sep 22, 2015	Funkadelia Feb 17 2016, 05:58 PM I am a judge as confirmed by our Sovereign and via our legal process, and that is how it will remain. I never claimed otherwise. I only claimed that your involvement is -- and will remain far after the conclusion of this -- an unnecessary blemish on the fairness of this trial. Your involvement is dispensable if you're actually impartial. You're indispensable only to the end of having an impartial heavyweight in the judicial deliberation room. There's nothing special you offer in a judicial uniform that can't also be provided through testimony. To an outsider, that raises concern: Why is maintaining your personal involvement in the hearing more important than the hearing's integrity? Unless you can explain why it's better to have you on the court than not, your refusal to let a more impartial Lazarene sit in your place is dubious, if not downright disappointing. I am confident in your colleagues and my innocence, so I'll ultimately participate regardless of your decision to decline recusal. When the final sentence is decided and declared, though, I just hope that the doubts from your involvement won't obstruct the achievement of some sense of closure here.



Milograd	Feb 18 2016, 02:35 AM Post #63
Heir Hazard Posts: 54 Group: Members Member #198 Joined: Sep 22, 2015	Loftegen Feb 17 2016, 07:10 PM It's worth remembering that a fair trial is not one where-in the accused has an equal chance of being convicted or aqquited, but one in which the same rules apply to all parties. I have complete confidence in the ability of our judges to render impartial judgement before the law; and pledge to honor their decision, no matter what it is. I agree, Loft, but that's not our problem. We're dealing with the blurred line between judge and prosecutor. Even Batman, in all of his virtue and glory, would be ill-fit to preside over a case involving the murder of one's parents.



Constie	Feb 19 2016, 03:01 PM Post #64
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Should the justices have an active role in the trial? Discuss.



Horse	Feb 20 2016, 01:01 AM Post #65
possibly the only jew on NS Posts: 309 Group: Members Member #6 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Constie Feb 19 2016, 03:01 PM Should the justices have an active role in the trial? Discuss. You tell us m8, you're supposed to interpret the constitution



Powthran	Feb 20 2016, 07:32 AM Post #66
Lazarene Posts: 523 Group: Members Member #103 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Lawful Neutral Military Stance Uninterested Political Views Conservative Nation in Lazarus Powthran	Alright. If we want to do a new trial, that is alright by me, though I am not sure who is administering it as we currently don't have a Chief Justice, which was the main cause of us never actually writing up and publishing our verdict. As for individual trials, I think that is fine, though I don't really think thst they should be done one at a time, especially since none other than Milograd responded to our initial requests to give their side. I take my share of responsibility for how long this has dragged on, but that is why I think we should make these trials as effeciency as possible.



Loftegen	Feb 20 2016, 05:11 PM Post #67
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Powthran Feb 20 2016, 07:32 AM Alright. If we want to do a new trial, that is alright by me, though I am not sure who is administering it as we currently don't have a Chief Justice, which was the main cause of us never actually writing up and publishing our verdict. As for individual trials, I think that is fine, though I don't really think thst they should be done one at a time, especially since none other than Milograd responded to our initial requests to give their side. I take my share of responsibility for how long this has dragged on, but that is why I think we should make these trials as effeciency as possible. May I suggest you, Funk, and Constie decide amongst yourselves who will be Grand Judge? Also, I see no need for a flashy show trial, in no small part because it would give Milograd a chance to grandstand and play the misunderstood martyr. Besides, that's not how our judicial system works: you three decide, then rule. Please do so as expeditiously as your need for impartiallity will allow.



Constie	Feb 20 2016, 11:53 PM Post #68
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Loftegen Feb 20 2016, 05:11 PM Powthran Feb 20 2016, 07:32 AM Alright. If we want to do a new trial, that is alright by me, though I am not sure who is administering it as we currently don't have a Chief Justice, which was the main cause of us never actually writing up and publishing our verdict. As for individual trials, I think that is fine, though I don't really think thst they should be done one at a time, especially since none other than Milograd responded to our initial requests to give their side. I take my share of responsibility for how long this has dragged on, but that is why I think we should make these trials as effeciency as possible. May I suggest you, Funk, and Constie decide amongst yourselves who will be Grand Judge? Also, I see no need for a flashy show trial, in no small part because it would give Milograd a chance to grandstand and play the misunderstood martyr. Besides, that's not how our judicial system works: you three decide, then rule. Please do so as expeditiously as your need for impartiallity will allow. The trial is needed because everyone is entitled to a fair trial



Amerion	Feb 21 2016, 07:12 AM Post #69
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	Loftegen Feb 20 2016, 05:11 PM Powthran Feb 20 2016, 07:32 AM Alright. If we want to do a new trial, that is alright by me, though I am not sure who is administering it as we currently don't have a Chief Justice, which was the main cause of us never actually writing up and publishing our verdict. As for individual trials, I think that is fine, though I don't really think thst they should be done one at a time, especially since none other than Milograd responded to our initial requests to give their side. I take my share of responsibility for how long this has dragged on, but that is why I think we should make these trials as effeciency as possible. May I suggest you, Funk, and Constie decide amongst yourselves who will be Grand Judge? Also, I see no need for a flashy show trial, in no small part because it would give Milograd a chance to grandstand and play the misunderstood martyr. Besides, that's not how our judicial system works: you three decide, then rule. Please do so as expeditiously as your need for impartiallity will allow. I would like clarification on what you mean by "you three decide, then rule"? Are you saying that there should be no public trial?



The Church of Satan	Feb 21 2016, 09:39 AM Post #70
I HAVE CHORTLES! Posts: 861 Group: Accused Member #7 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Lazarus CoS	There is a public trial going on this very moment, technically. The thread is still there and while a retrial is the general consensus, the court hasn't officially said anything about that (to my knowledge). The Unified Legal Code specifically states that our non-adversarial court allows for any and all citizens to present evidence. Like in the trial thread, although I am the one who filed the charges, Kazmr also presented evidence. "you three decide then rule" is referencing the way in which a verdict is reached. After evidence is submitted the justices discuss the case and decide on a verdict. That's how the Lazarene court works.



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