Should an alignment be specified in the Constitution?

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Should an alignment be specified in the Constitution?
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 23 2015, 03:23 AM (701 Views)
Kazmr	Apr 23 2015, 03:23 AM Post #1
Lazarene Posts: 987 Group: Members Member #85 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral	The PRL was explicitly and constitutionally a defender region. Non defenders could join, but typically could not serve in the LLA. Do we want this to be the case in the new Lazarus? I lean in favor of yes. I think we built a strong defender tradition under the PRL, and I think now is the time to build on it. The entire defender community came together to liberate Lazarus with unprecedented results, and it would be a shame to move away from those who perhaps could be said to have been our biggest supporters.

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Cormac	Apr 28 2015, 07:48 AM Post #21
Lazarene Posts: 398 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Cormactopia II Skype cormac.ns Discord Cormac#9408	killer kitty Apr 28 2015, 02:48 AM i am 100% opposed to coding a Defender military into Lazarus law. The PRL was forced upon Lazarus as was the defender alignment. Prior to that, the Lazarus military was independent and largely regionalist. I view the Defender-only perspective to be an outside viewpoint forced upon the region by the NPO and pro-NPO sympathizers. It doesn't seem to bother you that this past utopian Lazarus you remember so fondly, the one that existed before the PRL, had no military activity of any kind -- nor much activity in general, for that matter.



killer kitty	Apr 28 2015, 08:27 PM Post #22
THIS COLOR ANNOYS LAMB Posts: 367 Group: Administrator Member #114 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Nation in Lazarus Killer Kitty	Part of that was the doing of Feux, who appointed DYP who specifically said he, DYP, didn't really want the position and was only allowing himself to be put there as a place holder. Later, when others expressed interest in leading and reviving the military, Feux ignored them outright. Shortly thereafter, the Purge and PRL coup happened. Feux purposefully kept the military weak so resistance against his plot would be low. Edited by killer kitty, Apr 28 2015, 08:28 PM.



Cormac	Apr 28 2015, 11:24 PM Post #23
Lazarene Posts: 398 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Cormactopia II Skype cormac.ns Discord Cormac#9408	killer kitty Apr 28 2015, 08:27 PM Part of that was the doing of Feux, who appointed DYP who specifically said he, DYP, didn't really want the position and was only allowing himself to be put there as a place holder. Later, when others expressed interest in leading and reviving the military, Feux ignored them outright. Shortly thereafter, the Purge and PRL coup happened. Feux purposefully kept the military weak so resistance against his plot would be low. And it was active prior to Feux, under Griffin?



Harmoneia	Apr 29 2015, 01:57 AM Post #24
Mhysa Posts: 657 Group: Accused Member #42 Joined: Apr 11, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Harmoneia	It was inactive before Feux and every orher delegate before him (ignoring the fact that KK is implying that I couped Lazarus and that Funk being the current chairman is illegitimate)



killer kitty	Apr 30 2015, 12:20 AM Post #25
THIS COLOR ANNOYS LAMB Posts: 367 Group: Administrator Member #114 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Nation in Lazarus Killer Kitty	Harmoneia Apr 29 2015, 01:57 AM It was inactive before Feux and every orher delegate before him (ignoring the fact that KK is implying that I couped Lazarus and that Funk being the current chairman is illegitimate) I remember under my one of reigns as Delegate the military had 15 members, both raided and defended, and pulled operations semi-regularly. Plus that was before Lazarus had the ban button and nations came to Lazarus via getting help requests, not automatically revived as is the case now. Clearly it can be done by someone motivated to do so, even under much more unfavorable conditions. Implying it has always been inactive, which is false, and that therefore we must be Defender because LLA had more activity is flawed and misleading logic. That's the sort of logically flawed argument I'd expect to hear from in NPO propaganda, not from a former Lazarus Delegate, especially one such has Harm. Edited by killer kitty, Apr 30 2015, 01:51 AM.



Kazmr	May 3 2015, 05:39 AM Post #26
Lazarene Posts: 987 Group: Members Member #85 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral	Based on the results of the poll, I have zero reservations regarding banning raiding outside of wartime. Nearly 2/3 of the region in-game supports a defender stance, and of those who don't 2/3 support a neutral one. If you're going to claim, Wolf, that the 'natives' don't support a defender government, particulalry in the face of several very long time residents unaffiliated with the PRL voting for it, you have zero legs to stand on. Edited by Kazmr, May 3 2015, 05:40 AM.



killer kitty	May 3 2015, 10:58 AM Post #27
THIS COLOR ANNOYS LAMB Posts: 367 Group: Administrator Member #114 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Nation in Lazarus Killer Kitty	Democracy, as they say, is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner. I don't need a leg to stand on, Kazmr, it's my opinion, and I have a right to have it. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove? That I shouldn't have my opinion? Also, I always notice that Defenders only call me Wolf when they are annoyed with me, especially in regions like Lazarus. =P Edited by killer kitty, May 3 2015, 11:01 AM.



Ravania	May 3 2015, 11:56 AM Post #28
Sensei of Rebirth Posts: 3,150 Group: Members Member #97 Joined: Apr 22, 2015	Looking in retrospective the NPO-side kept the LLA as inactive as they could. Still a lot/some LLA-flags were seen in defender missions over the past year. Which can only mean that the basis was there but it wasn't used to it's full potential. But that's just my opinion



The Church of Satan	May 3 2015, 01:08 PM Post #29
I HAVE CHORTLES! Posts: 861 Group: Accused Member #7 Joined: Apr 8, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Lazarus CoS	We call you Wolf because that's the name you're primarily known as. At any rate, yes you are allowed to HAVE your own opinion. However you don't have the right to try and force it on others. The fact of the matter is that democratically, Lazarus has expressed an overwhelming desire to be defender and NOT raider. You're just going to have to accept and get over it. Your chance to turn Lazarus raider failed, better luck next time I suppose.



Kazmr	May 3 2015, 05:00 PM Post #30
Lazarene Posts: 987 Group: Members Member #85 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral	I say you have no leg to stand on, Wolf, because the justification of your argument was that a defender viewpoint was supposedly forced on the region by outside outside forces. The poll demonstrates quite clearly that defender sentiment runs deep in the natives of the region, including plenty who were here before the days of the NPO. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but your justification for it looks a bit shoddy at this point. Would you prefer we call you 'Evil'?



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