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Lazarus | Apr 18 2015, 01:26 AM Post #1 |
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Mod Edit: Please note that this constitution is not meant to be the draft, necessarily. This is one proposal that was drafted during the NLO occupation, but the purpose of this convention is to find out where our region's values lie. Feel free to discuss this draft, or create your own entirely different drafts. Preamble The nations, resident in the region formerly called the Peoples' Republic of Lazarus, hereby solemnly and mutually agree with each other, to form themselves into a free, sovereign, and independent body politic, or state by the name of "The [Pretitle] of Lazarus". Article 1: Citizenship
Article 2: The Rights of the People
Article 3: The Convocation of Souls
Article 4: The High Councillor
Article 5: Elected Officers
Article 6: The Tribunal
Article 7: The Gatekeepers [of the Dead]
Article 8: The Regional Forum
Edited by Kazmr, Apr 23 2015, 05:02 AM.
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Loftegen | Apr 23 2015, 05:03 AM Post #41 |
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Regarding citizenship, I don't like the requirement to log into the regional forum as a condition of keeping citizenship. Also, remembering how things were before the recent wholesale ejections, while recognizing that it probably isn't feasible at this moment, I'd like to see this clause added to Article 1. 6. Not withstanding clauses 1 and 2, any nation that shall have reached page 100 of the Length of Residency list shall be considered a citizen of Lazarus, with all the rights, priviliges, duties and responsibilities thereof, including the right to campaign for and hold the delegacy. This clause shall take effect one year after the adoption of this constitution. Basically I want to insure that old hands who aren't gameplayers or roleplayers aren't/don't feel frozen out because they don't play the game the 'right' way. Edited by Loftegen, Apr 23 2015, 06:45 AM.
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Funkadelia | Apr 23 2015, 05:14 AM Post #42 |
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That.... is actually not that bad of an idea. I'd like more discussion on it though. |
Kazmr | Apr 23 2015, 05:23 AM Post #43 |
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I really like the suggestion, and you raise a very important issue. I just started a thread related to matters of ensuring that those who do not actively participate on the forum feel included and have the opportunity to participate in the region in a real way. You may be interested in the discussion there: http://nslazarus.com/archive/NSLazarus/topic/7938627/1/ That specific idea is actually very intriguing though. We could certainly consider something like that. I would add, perhaps, that any proposal to allow automatic rights by length of citizenship also include a stipluation requiring that the nation have World Assembly. This is the only way to ensure, in game and without a person registering for the forum, that there is only one user behind the nation and not one person controlling multiple. |
Gulliver | Apr 23 2015, 05:36 AM Post #44 |
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I think it's an interesting idea worth pursuing as well. One tweak I might make would be to limit the condition to World Assembly nations, because otherwise you might get a person who's double-citizened. |
Loftegen | Apr 23 2015, 05:53 AM Post #45 |
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I have no problem with limiting automatic citizenship to WA nations. As a practical matter, they're the only one's whose 'votes' matter anyway. Also, the exact page number may need to be tweaked. I know Laz has a high turnover rate; and that it'll take a good while for the population trends to stabilize; but I always figured that if they hung around long enough to get to page 100, they were in it for the long haul. Also, Kaz, I read your original proposal, and will now go to read your new post with great interest. Edited by Loftegen, Apr 23 2015, 05:53 AM.
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Courlany | Apr 23 2015, 02:17 PM Post #46 |
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At this original post, printing.
Edited by Courlany, Apr 23 2015, 02:19 PM.
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Kazmr | Apr 23 2015, 05:24 PM Post #47 |
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I can think of one potential way to potentially implement your system Loft. It would not be too difficult to write a script to identify the nations eligible for vote on a specific page as the NationStates API returns the list of nations in the region in order of their residency. Since there are 15 nations on each page of the residency, we could simply how ever many we plan to include. Check them for WA and maybe if they're endorsing the delegate (that one we could debate, but I think it may be fair to expect that if someone is granted the right to run for delegate, if they have their WA in the region they should be willing to endorse an elected one). I could try my hand at writing something, and opening the code of course so that it would always be usable. We could have it be a duty of either the speaker of the legislature or of a dedicated outreach person (I would actually prefer the former for this particular task), to keep them 'informed' of votes in the constitution, while the specific implementation could be something along the lines of a regularly updated dispatch that has bills added to it whenever they go up for vote, a link to discussion on that bill, and a nation they could TG to vote if they have not joined the forum. The same individuals could also be eligible for delegate elections if we so chose. Additionally, I would support allowing the legislature to grant the same privileges of extended residency to individuals who would have that residency were it not for extreme circumstances. For instance, you and a number of other longtime natives were banned under Stujenske, and that shouldn't disqualify you from having a voice. |
Loftegen | Apr 23 2015, 05:57 PM Post #48 |
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Regarding returning exiles, I thought about suggesting a "by acclamation of the people" clause to the Citizenship section, but am a tiny bit leery of such a thing, even though it would obviously be beneficially to me. Maybe because it would obviously be beneficial to me. Another route would be to say "any nation that held citizenship, by law or by custom, in the People's Republic of Lazarus, shall be considered a citizen of the (to be determined) of Lazarus, provided said nation is resident in Lazarus at the time this constitution takes effect." I wonder if the Legislature should be recquired to vote to recognize claims, but that basically takes us back to "acclamation of the people", so that might be the easiest way to go. |
Kazmr | Apr 23 2015, 06:10 PM Post #49 |
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I think the preamble of the constitution, which states "The nations, resident in the region formerly called the Peoples' Republic of Lazarus, hereby solemnly and mutually agree with each other, to form themselves into a free, sovereign, and independent body politic, or state by the name of "The [Pretitle] of Lazarus"." would grandfather in PRL citizens, though I don't know if that would solve the problem of longtime residents being exiled, as, unless I'm mistaken, the PRL still required forum application to be considered a 'citizen'. Although that could be up for debate since it says 'nations, resident' rather than 'citizens'. |
Loftegen | Apr 23 2015, 06:43 PM Post #50 |
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I suppose it's a matter of interpretation. Do we intend the preamble to make everybody currently resident in Lazarus a citizen when the new constitution enters into force? Or do we want to make a distinction between residents and citizens from the outset, i.e. everyone in Lazarus is a resident by virtue of being here. To be a citizen with the right to vote, you either have to apply in the forums, be a long term resident, or be recognized as a former citizen who was exiled under Stujenske. Writing constitutions is hard...:P |
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