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On Lazarus and Reform
Topic Started: Jul 25 2017, 11:02 PM (157 Views)
Mekhet
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Alright look here guise and growls. Lazarus has gone through upheaval, this is obvious. Some feel justified and right others disagree and dissent.

It's perfectly fine to have a dissenting opinion. I'm not here to talk about who's right or wrong with the events of the upheaval not who did a bad or whatever the fuck.

What I'm here to talk about is that, Funk has the delegate and until that ever changes for whatever reasons, you're stuck with it for now.

I had been asked to come back to Laz, by numerous people over this year. Since I'm always mobile, I've avoided investing in affairs of regions directly (I.e no legislation, positions, whatever). What I do tend to do is chat on Discord and hold citizenship in a few regions, and maybe make a comment or two every now in then internally.

So, the beginning of dissent started getting out, and I decided to see what's up and fuck around a bit. In the end I started reading on laws and proposed laws (new or amendments) and while there are undoubtedly some good idea on paper, in practice they are flawed.

That means there needs to be an examination and reform to be honest. Drall and Funk have proposed Mandate changes. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the upheaval or these mandates. What matters is participating professionally in reform because it's needed

That doesn't mean you have to support to two above, write your own if you must, but if you disagree with what you see as a dictatorship politely say so and provide alternatives. Mention the things you do like and think is good, because input is necessary unless you want one or two people only contributing.

If you want to go hate on Funk, go make a separate thread or whatever, we don't need to make reform discussion personal bickering.

Some will think I'm just here to fuck around and support Funk. That's not entirely true. Sure, I subscribe to Moldavism which implies Delegate is Sovereign over a region, but that hasn't nothing to do with Funk himself. I'd be supporting DYP or Harm if they had been delegate.

Which speaking of which I have known both Harm and DYP for a long time and have a lot of respect for them. I'm known to be an asshat and fuck around, but I'm not here to fuck you over. I am here now to say, regardless of whatever happens in the future reform is important and I want to see every with the ability to participate to participate, even if you heavily disagree with certain people and their ideas.

Harm's one of most closest friends and I'm sad to see her go, but I'm sure if I explained this to her she would approve of me wanting to participate in reforming the laws for the best I think they should be. So, as far as reformations go please separate the fighting and Snipes and all that jazz from the process. There plenty of alternative avenues to express discontent over recent events.

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Tawks
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Mekhet
Jul 25 2017, 11:02 PM
Alright look here guise and growls. Lazarus has gone through upheaval, this is obvious. Some feel justified and right others disagree and dissent.

It's perfectly fine to have a dissenting opinion. I'm not here to talk about who's right or wrong with the events of the upheaval not who did a bad or whatever the fuck.

What I'm here to talk about is that, Funk has the delegate and until that ever changes for whatever reasons, you're stuck with it for now.

I had been asked to come back to Laz, by numerous people over this year. Since I'm always mobile, I've avoided investing in affairs of regions directly (I.e no legislation, positions, whatever). What I do tend to do is chat on Discord and hold citizenship in a few regions, and maybe make a comment or two every now in then internally.

So, the beginning of dissent started getting out, and I decided to see what's up and fuck around a bit. In the end I started reading on laws and proposed laws (new or amendments) and while there are undoubtedly some good idea on paper, in practice they are flawed.

That means there needs to be an examination and reform to be honest. Drall and Funk have proposed Mandate changes. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the upheaval or these mandates. What matters is participating professionally in reform because it's needed

That doesn't mean you have to support to two above, write your own if you must, but if you disagree with what you see as a dictatorship politely say so and provide alternatives. Mention the things you do like and think is good, because input is necessary unless you want one or two people only contributing.

If you want to go hate on Funk, go make a separate thread or whatever, we don't need to make reform discussion personal bickering.

Some will think I'm just here to fuck around and support Funk. That's not entirely true. Sure, I subscribe to Moldavism which implies Delegate is Sovereign over a region, but that hasn't nothing to do with Funk himself. I'd be supporting DYP or Harm if they had been delegate.

Which speaking of which I have known both Harm and DYP for a long time and have a lot of respect for them. I'm known to be an asshat and fuck around, but I'm not here to fuck you over. I am here now to say, regardless of whatever happens in the future reform is important and I want to see every with the ability to participate to participate, even if you heavily disagree with certain people and their ideas.

Harm's one of most closest friends and I'm sad to see her go, but I'm sure if I explained this to her she would approve of me wanting to participate in reforming the laws for the best I think they should be. So, as far as reformations go please separate the fighting and Snipes and all that jazz from the process. There plenty of alternative avenues to express discontent over recent events.

I agree there need to be many new reforms, I am working with a friend of mine on writing our own mandate and I would Love help! If you want to contact me via Discord i am Tawks VerinGuard in the Laz server!

We are writing our own but at the same time examining the current one, and it is likely that we might find the loopholes and propose just some amendments to the current one instead of a whole new one... I would love help though so do DM/ping me on Discord! :D
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Constie
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I don't know I feel pretty fucked over knowing that some of my friends were purged Order 66 style. I would respect Funk a lot more if these nations were pardoned and given a seat on the table. This is the only way Lazarus can self repare while Funk remaining in power.
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Constie
Jul 26 2017, 02:35 AM
I don't know I feel pretty fucked over knowing that some of my friends were purged Order 66 style. I would respect Funk a lot more if these nations were pardoned and given a seat on the table. This is the only way Lazarus can self repare while Funk remaining in power.
I'm sorry that you feel personally hurt regarding the situation, but your friends weren't purged, action was taken against them as they are either implicated in the conspiracy to coup or have steadily advocated for the coup attempt.

Undermining our sovereignty isn't something to be taken lightly, regardless of personal affections. I hope eventually you can see the reason and legality in the security measures taken and can be a productive part of our region moving forward, as we need everyone on board to recover from this.
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Lamb
Jul 26 2017, 02:39 AM
Constie
Jul 26 2017, 02:35 AM
I don't know I feel pretty fucked over knowing that some of my friends were purged Order 66 style. I would respect Funk a lot more if these nations were pardoned and given a seat on the table. This is the only way Lazarus can self repare while Funk remaining in power.
I'm sorry that you feel personally hurt regarding the situation, but your friends weren't purged, action was taken against them as they are either implicated in the conspiracy to coup or have steadily advocated for the coup attempt.

Undermining our sovereignty isn't something to be taken lightly, regardless of personal affections. I hope eventually you can see the reason and legality in the security measures taken and can be a productive part of our region moving forward, as we need everyone on board to recover from this.
If by eveyone, you mean those who were kicked, then I agree, we need everyone.
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Just to note, Harmie has left NS (for good this time). She was slowly leaving as it was but this quickened it.

You're not fucking me over, I'm enjoying the entertainment but worried about what'll come next. Neither Funk or EW have shown great bursts of activity recently so unless Lamb is ready to take on the shitshow we're currently experiencing we'll be going back to sleepy time.




And if I was the one in charge the ban list would be full, the entire council and government would be out on their asses.
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Mekhet
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Lazarene
Well I have no control over bannings or anything and I doubt I could convince Funk of anything.

I just think it's a good idea to discuss reforms of laws. Because even if Funk somehow lost the delegacy it's still needed and our posts will still exist as reference for reform no matter who controls the delegacy seat.

Like I said on the RMB, of Funk ends up say controlling the seat for years. Your choice is to leave Laz, work on reforms, or do nothing.

I can't read or see the future, but I'm pretty sure laws need rewriting.

The Mandate is already confusing as all hell and there's a stupid law that allows bannings for being charged for any crime. Absurd.
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I'm blaming Lamb for most of that, he said he was doing most of it recently :P
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