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Regarding Our Mandate; A discussion on reform
Topic Started: Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM (1,419 Views)
Lamb
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It has been blatantly apparent the last several months that our region has been stricken with discrepancies, ambiguities, and just all around problems regarding our Mandate. Over the last week or so that has been taken into account via a discussion on direct reform, or rewriting, of our constitution entirely. This is something I would like to address before the Council, so that we may collaborate and swiftly decide what we are to do. There is no question that we need some sort of action to rewrite our Mandate, but this presents quite the crossroads for our region, especially considering the recent events regarding the coup conspiracy.

Multiple people have proposed a change in theme, perhaps even a reform to the structure of the region. I know a lot of us have ideas, but in the end we certainly need a plainly written, efficient, and effective constitution so that we do not run into the multiple issues we have recently again.

Talk.
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Chron
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Lazarene
Lamb
Jul 26 2017, 11:10 PM
Kade W. Vasentius
Jul 26 2017, 04:17 PM
Lamb
Jul 26 2017, 07:31 AM
What?
Sorry, meant to say "lore". Iirc we've had conflicts with lore and law in previous mandates.
I'm not sure that the lore/theme references in Funk's proposal is the equivalent of the convoluted mess and literal RP terminology rampant throughout our current Mandate. Regardless of the theme and the names, the language is pretty plainly written and isn't full of contradictions and ambiguous references to powers that are basically RP.
The RP terminology are pretty easy to get lost in, especially for someone who wants to get involved in the region. The new mandate has a definite theme about it, but not these terms that are only used for the purposes of having RP elements in it. Which is another reason I'm behind it.
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Radicalitan
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Drall's is a pretty good draft (although I would change the proportion of supermajority from 60% to 2/3). However, I think that it doesn't go far enough in changing the current state of things, and thus, I believe that Funkadelia's is a preferable alternative.

Some observations, though:
Preamble
 
We recognize that it is of the utmost importance that Lazarus is protected from foreign influences and has a strong yet simple legal that cannot be manipulated so that we may establish permanent stability for the region.
I agree with DYP that this is totally unneeded.
S1.3
 
The King shall have the sole authority to accept or deny citizenship applications. This authority may be temporarily transferred to someone else in anticipation of an absence.
Again, I agree with DYP. It would be better if it was the King + 1 person (the Regent, maybe?).
S2.7
 
If the King does not appoint a successor before ceasing to exist, being deleted or otherwise going inactive, the Regent will ascend to the throne if the King does not return after a week.
I suggest that the same rules that will be implemented for citizens losing their citizenship to also be valid for the King. There really is no reason for waiting a week after he CTEd.
S4.6
 
The Council of Rot may remove the King of the Undead from his office with an 80% majority vote. If the vote succeeds, the Regent will ascend to the throne.
This should certainly be a bit lower, imo. Question about something that will never happen: what if the Regent keeps appointing the previous King and everything ends up in a circle? :P

Overall, I stand closer to Funkadelia's draft, although I like both and there are a couple of flaws in it.
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Disclaimer: While I have read both constitution drafts, I have read almost none of the comments that followed. I was derailed by Chron's comment "Calm your tits"...

Delegate being elected through democracy while a novel idea on paper (or on a computer screen) does nothing but create instability for a GCR.

While I find aspects of Drall's proposal solid, I feel that Funk's vision will lead the region forward in a positive manner. Personally, I loathe the undead theme and think it smells as bad as the dumpster fire on the GP forum; but that is personal preference I suppose.
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Deltariuns

I am up for a theme change, but this proposed undead theme has a stale and tacky vibe. I'd prefer for a theme update.

If a theme change is necessary, it should emphasize rebirth over rising from the dead.
Edited by Deltariuns, Jul 27 2017, 11:07 PM.
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Chron
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Jul 27 2017, 08:57 PM
I was derailed by Chron's comment "Calm your tits"...
Happens to the best of us sometimes. :p

As for the theme, I don't think it's bad. I definitely don't "love" it, but I can't think of any other theme that might be better, so I think it's fine.

I've also heard that thing about how the King can be dethroned by the Council and then the Regent becomes the King, appoints the previous King as Regent and then it becomes a perpetual cycle that happens to the end of time, I guess, or until the Council decides its not worth it anymore. Yeah, I don't see this happening. It may be a thing that can be done in theory, but in practice it's probably not something you're going to see ever be done.
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I have produced an edit of my proposal. I have taken some of the suggestions offered here and privately to me. I have made the following changes:

  • Past history in the game is now required in citizenship applications.
  • The Regent now has the authority to accept citizenship applications.
  • Changed the name of the Council of Rot to the High Sepulchre.
  • The minimum of members for the High Sepulchre has been changed to five including the Regent.
  • A clause establishing the supremacy of this law over any others.


Constitution


Code of Laws
Edited by Funkadelia, Jul 28 2017, 03:45 AM.
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Lamb
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I think the implemented suggestions make a lot of things work better and I definitely like the name of the legislature better personally. It has a more dignified feel to it.

I'd like to motion to vote.
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I second the motion.
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Lamb
Jul 28 2017, 03:46 AM
I think the implemented suggestions make a lot of things work better and I definitely like the name of the legislature better personally. It has a more dignified feel to it.

I'd like to motion to vote.
Are you fucking kidding me? This is a big discussion, stop trying to rush it. 18 minutes is a tiny window for everyone to read the new draft and discuss it. Hell, I can't even read it properly now before work.

Edit: Also, no Convenor at the moment.
Edited by Drop Your Pants, Jul 28 2017, 01:05 PM.
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Drop Your Pants
Jul 28 2017, 01:03 PM
Lamb
Jul 28 2017, 03:46 AM
I think the implemented suggestions make a lot of things work better and I definitely like the name of the legislature better personally. It has a more dignified feel to it.

I'd like to motion to vote.
Are you fucking kidding me? This is a big discussion, stop trying to rush it. 18 minutes is a tiny window for everyone to read the new draft and discuss it. Hell, I can't even read it properly now before work.

Edit: Also, no Convenor at the moment.
Sorry Funk, I'm gonna have to agree with DYP(Sorry if I got your name wrong) but this was very rushed and we need to wait until after elections. I also had some ideas I wanted to post, though I do not have a full draft I will post the very base bones of the gov't setup...



WAD-Soverign
-Holds Overall Powers
-Appoints some positions on Advice of the HoG and Approval of the senate

HoG-Head of Gov't
-Elected every 4 months
-Creates Executive Gov't

HoL-Head of Legislation
-Head of Senate
-Elected every 4 months

Senate-All Citizens
-Senate elects HoG
-Senate elects HoL
-Senate votes on bills, votes counted on all whom voted, all votes MUST be public

The idea of this is a Stable WAD whom holds some power but not a lot, with democratic power to the people to control the gov't, of course Terms and titles and the like would be changed and again this is just an idea I will write out a full one soon to propose here.
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