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Regarding Our Mandate; A discussion on reform
Topic Started: Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM (1,421 Views)
Lamb Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM Post #1
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 It has been blatantly apparent the last several months that our region has been stricken with discrepancies, ambiguities, and just all around problems regarding our Mandate. Over the last week or so that has been taken into account via a discussion on direct reform, or rewriting, of our constitution entirely. This is something I would like to address before the Council, so that we may collaborate and swiftly decide what we are to do. There is no question that we need some sort of action to rewrite our Mandate, but this presents quite the crossroads for our region, especially considering the recent events regarding the coup conspiracy.

Multiple people have proposed a change in theme, perhaps even a reform to the structure of the region. I know a lot of us have ideas, but in the end we certainly need a plainly written, efficient, and effective constitution so that we do not run into the multiple issues we have recently again.

Talk.
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Deltariuns Jul 25 2017, 11:07 PM Post #31

Chron
Jul 25 2017, 08:38 PM
Constie
Jul 25 2017, 08:30 PM
Chron
Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM
Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations.

Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward.
Right, because stripping people of their right to speak on the Council floor isn't silencing dissenters. We should see this for what it is, a blatant power grab by Funk.
It isn't. Those who are being silenced aren't just dissenters, are they now? Those people are being put on trial because there was a coup attempt putting us all into this mess, which lead to people wanting solutions and this is what we're discussing here.
It seems like there's less of a trial and more of a massive no-questions-asked ban spree that's happening on NS and the Discord.
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Lamb Jul 26 2017, 01:08 AM Post #32
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 I am a fan of both rewrites, honestly. Personally, I am not opposed to a complete restructuring of the region and I'm already thinking of some cool Undead RP scenarios and lore we can establish with a new theme. I'm glad that some of us have taken the time to focus on the future of the region, instead of squabbling here in this thread.

As was mentioned by someone else, I think the Undead constitution establishes the Delegacy in a more appropriate way and though I'm not necessarily a fan of monarchistic styled governments, it certainly has worked in plenty of other regions and might be worth giving a shot. I feel about the same way regarding an elected legislature and we can, of course, always change any regional structure, as we always have been able to, in case we end up not liking something. The theme change and restructuring may actually serve to breath some fresh air into Lazarus and establish us as something to be reckoned with for the future instead of laughed at by our peers.
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Drall Jul 26 2017, 01:18 AM Post #33
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 As I've said before, I really like the theme change and would totally go for it. Both constitutions seem good to me, though I may be a bit biased towards one of them :p

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Tom Jul 26 2017, 01:43 AM Post #34
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 I really like Funk's proposal. The theme seems really cool and personally I think making the delegate unelected is a wise decision that will prove to be a boon for regional stability if we should decided to go with Funk's proposal.
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Lamb Jul 26 2017, 01:46 AM Post #35
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Jul 26 2017, 01:43 AM
I really like Funk's proposal. The theme seems really cool and personally I think making the delegate unelected is a wise decision that will prove to be a boon for regional stability if we should decided to go with Funk's proposal.
And at the same time, the King would still be able to be recalled in case things like extreme activity, abuse of power, etc. ever occur.
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Funkadelia Jul 26 2017, 03:03 AM Post #36
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Lamb
Jul 26 2017, 01:46 AM
Tom
Jul 26 2017, 01:43 AM
I really like Funk's proposal. The theme seems really cool and personally I think making the delegate unelected is a wise decision that will prove to be a boon for regional stability if we should decided to go with Funk's proposal.
And at the same time, the King would still be able to be recalled in case things like extreme activity, abuse of power, etc. ever occur.
Yes. While ideals are certainly things that many people have, and nobody can be blamed for holding them, in cases like this one it is important to look at this in realistic terms. To put it more squarely, it is certainly noble to desire complete and open democracy as we have had for some time now, but at some point we must realize that in these environs sinkers like Lazarus, and earlier Osiris, become nothing more than a tug of war between people who care about the future of the region itself and people who look to exploit a relatively easy to access Game Created Region. My proposal continues to encourage democracy while also ensuring we can keep the region secure from plotters and intrigue.
Edited by Funkadelia, Jul 26 2017, 04:14 AM.
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Drop Your Pants Jul 26 2017, 05:36 AM Post #37
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Preamble

The people of Lazarus, recognizing the necessity of a simple, functioning government to protect the undead and our black magic from the land of the living and the light, hereby establish the Undead Dominion to rule and govern the binding of all souls within this realm. We recognize that it is of the utmost importance that Lazarus is protected from foreign influences and has a strong yet simple legal that cannot be manipulated so that we may establish permanent stability for the region.

Is that whole thing really needed? Especially the last bit.
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Any nation may apply for citizenship on the Regional Forum by providing their current nation in the region, their current World Assembly nation, and by swearing an Oath of Binding.

Past history too?
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The King shall have the sole authority to accept or deny citizenship applications. This authority may be temporarily transferred to someone else in anticipation of an absence.

I'd prefer if 2 people had that power, sometimes the King might forget to look in the application section. Also lowers the risk of vote pilling. In the old days I think the speaker and delegate could approve of people. Maybe admins too (EW?)
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The King shall have the sole authority to change the format of citizenship applications, as long as the format retains the aforementioned requirements.

'Please state your credit card number for citizenship'
'Paypal me $20'
'Will you tickle your willy for me?'
Do I need to go on? Really easy to abuse that one. You could even change it every week or for people you don't like.


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The King of the Undead (The King) is Head of State and Head of Government. He is assisted by his chosen Regent. The King of the Undead is always permitted to surpass his endorsement cap, whereas the Regent may be granted that privilege by the King.

The King is meant to have the highest endo's in the region (if its the delegate position). How do you set a limit on that?
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The King of the Undead shall hold the position of delegate in-game. The King is responsible for maintaining order, enforcing justice, and ensuring the security of the region.

Horribly vague and easy to abuse and so contradicts the Preamble.
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The King of the Undead may determine the region’s endorsement cap. Nations may not exceed this cap unless they have been given explicit permission to do so by the King.

Have you met our tarters? The cap is more a rough guideline.
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The King of the Undead is permitted to create positions that are not explicitly outlined in this document, however these positions must not contradict or overrule those outlined in this document.

I want Chief Cockblock.
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The King of the Undead is appointed by his predecessor. If the King does not appoint a successor before ceasing to exist, being deleted or otherwise going inactive, the Regent will ascend to the throne if the King does not return after a week.

Assuming the King is also a citizen then they forfeit their citizen masking after 28 days of inactivity or CTE. Why wait another week?
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The King of the Undead shall hold sole power regarding regional affairs, but the Council of Rot has the power to remove the King from office.
We tried that before, didn't work out well. LOTS of arguments.

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The number of seats on the Council of Rot will be decided by the King of the Undead, with a minimum of five, not including the Regent’s seat.

Min of 4 or 6 then? Just so there's always an odd number and hopefully never a tie.

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Section 6 of this document may only be added to. Section 7 may not be edited or revised.

Why not out of interest?

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Upon the passing of this document, the King may appoint the first Council of Rot for the benefit of immediate action in the region.

I could hazard a guess who'll be on it but I hate "told you so's".



It's basically the monarchy version of the PRL xD
Edited by Drop Your Pants, Jul 26 2017, 05:38 AM.
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Kade W. Vasentius Jul 26 2017, 06:30 AM Post #38
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Kadey the Sysadmin
 Concuring with DYP, but also noting we're repeating the more in document, which has posed issues in the past
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Lamb Jul 26 2017, 07:31 AM Post #39
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Kade W. Vasentius
Jul 26 2017, 06:30 AM
we're repeating the more in document
What?
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Tawks Jul 26 2017, 08:55 AM Post #40
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Lazarene
 Alright, I will likely write a draft later but for Funk's setup I would suggest maybe "Council of Rot" be edited to be all citizens, and possibly a name change, I mean I think The Undead Council or Council of Corpses, are kinda cool. I also think Citizen should be able to be accepted by the WAD alongside one or two others, at least one of the "Necromancer" I believe that is their title? Should be able to be given that power? I will likely write up my own draft/something to propose soon but these are just some initial thoughts.
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