Regarding Our Mandate

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Regarding Our Mandate; A discussion on reform
Tweet Topic Started: Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM (1,422 Views)
Lamb	Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM Post #1
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	It has been blatantly apparent the last several months that our region has been stricken with discrepancies, ambiguities, and just all around problems regarding our Mandate. Over the last week or so that has been taken into account via a discussion on direct reform, or rewriting, of our constitution entirely. This is something I would like to address before the Council, so that we may collaborate and swiftly decide what we are to do. There is no question that we need some sort of action to rewrite our Mandate, but this presents quite the crossroads for our region, especially considering the recent events regarding the coup conspiracy. Multiple people have proposed a change in theme, perhaps even a reform to the structure of the region. I know a lot of us have ideas, but in the end we certainly need a plainly written, efficient, and effective constitution so that we do not run into the multiple issues we have recently again. Talk.

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Chron	Jul 25 2017, 07:56 PM Post #21
Lazarene Posts: 44 Group: Citizen Member #649 Joined: Jul 15, 2017 Political Views Capitalist	Kade W. Vasentius Jul 25 2017, 07:02 PM Honestly, I'm really leaning towards drall's edits if we even have to choose one... Funk, that copy you've created is really borderline ""dictatorship"" in my eyes, and I wouldn't be comfortable under that in any situation... Benevolent dictatorships are the name of the game when it comes to GCR delegacy's. It may seem "unfair" or even somewhat "corrupt", but it almost never is. The delegate should have the ultimate ability to change the region for the better. And being a GCR with no founder, the delegate is the de facto dictator of the region, that is just by the mechanics of the game. It's the reason why coups and coup attempts are taken much more seriously. As for the proposed mandates, I'm leaning more towards Funk's idea and theme for government. I don't understand why the head of government and state were separated in the first place, both of those should be the delegate imo.



Constie	Jul 25 2017, 08:06 PM Post #22
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	I will oppose this thinly veiled dictatorship with every bone in my body. This is a step backwards from the Celestial Union, and is a shameless attempt for Funk to rule Lazarus with an iron fist. This is not progress, nor is this for the greater good. This is a shameless, disgusting, disdainful slap in the face to Lazarus and the ideals of democracy we spent 2 years building. Have you no shame? Have you no respect for this region? This attempt to turn Lazarus into your own personal playground should be opposed by everyone who gives a damn about this region, and then some.



Chron	Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Post #23
Lazarene Posts: 44 Group: Citizen Member #649 Joined: Jul 15, 2017 Political Views Capitalist	Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:06 PM I will oppose this thinly veiled dictatorship with every bone in my body. This is a step backwards from the Celestial Union, and is a shameless attempt for Funk to rule Lazarus with an iron fist. This is not progress, nor is this for the greater good. This is a shameless, disgusting, disdainful slap in the face to Lazarus and the ideals of democracy we spent 2 years building. Have you no shame? Have you no respect for this region? This attempt to turn Lazarus into your own personal playground should be opposed by everyone who gives a damn about this region, and then some. Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward.



Constie	Jul 25 2017, 08:30 PM Post #24
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:06 PM I will oppose this thinly veiled dictatorship with every bone in my body. This is a step backwards from the Celestial Union, and is a shameless attempt for Funk to rule Lazarus with an iron fist. This is not progress, nor is this for the greater good. This is a shameless, disgusting, disdainful slap in the face to Lazarus and the ideals of democracy we spent 2 years building. Have you no shame? Have you no respect for this region? This attempt to turn Lazarus into your own personal playground should be opposed by everyone who gives a damn about this region, and then some. Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward. Right, because stripping people of their right to speak on the Council floor isn't silencing dissenters. We should see this for what it is, a blatant power grab by Funk.



Deltariuns	Jul 25 2017, 08:37 PM Post #25
Posts: 5 Group: Members Member #661 Joined: Jul 21, 2017 Political Views Crazy Panda Alignment Chaotic Good Military Stance Defender Nation in Lazarus Royal Atlantean State	Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:06 PM I will oppose this thinly veiled dictatorship with every bone in my body. This is a step backwards from the Celestial Union, and is a shameless attempt for Funk to rule Lazarus with an iron fist. This is not progress, nor is this for the greater good. This is a shameless, disgusting, disdainful slap in the face to Lazarus and the ideals of democracy we spent 2 years building. Have you no shame? Have you no respect for this region? This attempt to turn Lazarus into your own personal playground should be opposed by everyone who gives a damn about this region, and then some. Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward. If he doesn't intend to silence "dissenters", why is he banning those who are partaking in the "coup" and even those who have not chosen a side?



Chron	Jul 25 2017, 08:38 PM Post #26
Lazarene Posts: 44 Group: Citizen Member #649 Joined: Jul 15, 2017 Political Views Capitalist	Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:30 PM Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward. Right, because stripping people of their right to speak on the Council floor isn't silencing dissenters. We should see this for what it is, a blatant power grab by Funk. It isn't. Those who are being silenced aren't just dissenters, are they now? Those people are being put on trial because there was a coup attempt putting us all into this mess, which lead to people wanting solutions and this is what we're discussing here.



Constie	Jul 25 2017, 08:40 PM Post #27
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:38 PM Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:30 PM Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward. Right, because stripping people of their right to speak on the Council floor isn't silencing dissenters. We should see this for what it is, a blatant power grab by Funk. It isn't. Those who are being silenced aren't just dissenters, are they now? Those people are being put on trial because there was a coup attempt putting us all into this mess, which lead to people wanting solutions and this is what we're discussing here. Innocent until proven guilty. Right now, they don't even have the ability to speak here, a clear violation of their rights. And now, Funk tries to push this under their noses, trying to seize power.



Chron	Jul 25 2017, 08:42 PM Post #28
Lazarene Posts: 44 Group: Citizen Member #649 Joined: Jul 15, 2017 Political Views Capitalist	Deltariuns Jul 25 2017, 08:37 PM Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:25 PM Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:06 PM I will oppose this thinly veiled dictatorship with every bone in my body. This is a step backwards from the Celestial Union, and is a shameless attempt for Funk to rule Lazarus with an iron fist. This is not progress, nor is this for the greater good. This is a shameless, disgusting, disdainful slap in the face to Lazarus and the ideals of democracy we spent 2 years building. Have you no shame? Have you no respect for this region? This attempt to turn Lazarus into your own personal playground should be opposed by everyone who gives a damn about this region, and then some. Whoa. Calm your tits there. You are making some pretty wild accusations and then some character assassinations. Democracy isn't being cancelled here. I'm certain that it isn't Funk's or his government's intention to silence dissenters with this new mandate. They just saw a problem and are making solutions to solve them. We're all just talking as citizens of this region to see how to better it with the ideas presented here. If you disagree, it is your right to do so, but you can't go around making accusations that Funk is ruling with an iron fist, when he's giving us the chance to discuss the ideas he has for the region to move forward. If he doesn't intend to silence "dissenters", why is he banning those who are partaking in the "coup" and even those who have not chosen a side? I dunno. Ask him. Don't make me try and speak for him. He's responded to this already, I think.



Trackeendy	Jul 25 2017, 08:44 PM Post #29
True Native Posts: 67 Group: Members Member #110 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Trackeendy Discord Xiaosael	I am completely and utterly against Funk's proposed theme change.



Chron	Jul 25 2017, 08:56 PM Post #30
Lazarene Posts: 44 Group: Citizen Member #649 Joined: Jul 15, 2017 Political Views Capitalist	Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:40 PM Chron Jul 25 2017, 08:38 PM Constie Jul 25 2017, 08:30 PM Right, because stripping people of their right to speak on the Council floor isn't silencing dissenters. We should see this for what it is, a blatant power grab by Funk. It isn't. Those who are being silenced aren't just dissenters, are they now? Those people are being put on trial because there was a coup attempt putting us all into this mess, which lead to people wanting solutions and this is what we're discussing here. Innocent until proven guilty. Right now, they don't even have the ability to speak here, a clear violation of their rights. And now, Funk tries to push this under their noses, trying to seize power. I'm not even going to go into the philosophy of this, because of how convoluted it can get fast, so I'm just gonna ask for citations.



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