[PROPOSAL] Amendment to the Mandate

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[PROPOSAL] Amendment to the Mandate; Re: Powers of the Celestial Being
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Funkadelia	Jul 17 2017, 11:14 PM Post #1
Posts: 2,155 Group: King of the Undead Member #86 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Socialist Nation in Lazarus Funkadelia	My proposed amendments are as follows: Mandate Article IV Section 5 ELECTION OF THE SOVEREIGN AND DEFENDER OF THE REALM (3) The Cosmic Council shall, at the Renewal of the Universal Cycle, elect from amongst its membership, a nominee for Sovereign and a nominee for the Defender of the Realm. (4) The Celestial Being shall~~, at his discretion,~~ grant these nominees through blessing, power to form a government in his name and with his celestial authority. Mandate Article IV Section 5 ABSENCE OF THE SOVEREIGN (9) In the case of an absence of the Sovereign, by the loss of his blessing, resignation, or otherwise, the Defender of the Realm may receive the Celestial Being’s blessing~~, at his discretion,~~ to ascend to the Sovereign and govern in his name. Mandate Article IV Section 7 (7) The Celestial Being shall~~, at his discretion,~~ grant these nominees through blessing, power to adjudicate with his celestial authority. These amendments are a simple clarification of what most of us already knew to be true: that the Celestial Being is legally bound to obey the votes of the citizens in all elections, confirmations, etc. While I still maintain that this is the case regardless of the status of the above clauses, it would be better to remove them to clarify that the voice of the people is supreme. When we were establishing this mandate, a major concern that several of us had was limiting the power of the Celestial Being. We were assured by the authors that the CB would be almost exclusively a Roleplay based position, and I specifically asked whether the votes of the citizens would be able to be trumped by the Celestial Being, and I was told that that would not be the case. The best course of action is to amend the Mandate to fulfill that spirit, especially where the "discretion" clauses also directly contradict the far more forceful language used to tie the assent of the Celestial Being to electoral/voting results.

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Aumelodia	Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM Post #21
🌺 His Divine Eminence Posts: 584 Group: Accused Member #495 Joined: Dec 20, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Aumelodia Discord Somyrion#8047	killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:10 AM Ark Jul 17 2017, 11:22 PM Proposing this at the same time as Aumelodia refuses to assent to your nomination of an LWUer as prelate... yeah, I'm not buying into this. 👎 I'm sorry. I've been in this region since 2005 and have been delegate of this region four times. If after all that, I'm just an "LWUer" to you, I can direct you to the nearest cliff you can jump off of. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham.



Ike	Jul 18 2017, 04:26 AM Post #22
Minnowite Socialist Posts: 458 Group: Accused Member #43 Joined: Apr 11, 2015 Alignment Neutral Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Social Democrat Nation in Lazarus Ikania	Whether a month, a year, or five years, it makes no one less liable for their own corruption when it reveals itself.



killer kitty	Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Post #23
THIS COLOR ANNOYS LAMB Posts: 367 Group: Administrator Member #114 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Nation in Lazarus Killer Kitty	Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff.



Ike	Jul 18 2017, 04:29 AM Post #24
Minnowite Socialist Posts: 458 Group: Accused Member #43 Joined: Apr 11, 2015 Alignment Neutral Good Military Stance Defender Political Views Social Democrat Nation in Lazarus Ikania	killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff. CoS isn't the one suspected of partaking in an effort to subvert our region's democracy. I also don't think too many people will take kindly to your advocating suicide. Edited by Ike, Jul 18 2017, 04:29 AM.



Lamb	Jul 18 2017, 04:35 AM Post #25
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	Ike Jul 18 2017, 04:29 AM killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff. CoS isn't the one suspected of partaking in an effort to subvert our region's democracy. You're right, Amerion is. Until you stop spouting and start providing actual evidence to back-up your claims other than the fact we're a different R/D alignment, you're really accomplishing nothing. Your suspicion is inherently biased because of your views towards members of LWU or any non-defender region for that matter. Edited by Lamb, Jul 18 2017, 04:36 AM.



Pherttsylvania	Jul 18 2017, 04:48 AM Post #26
Lazarene Posts: 82 Group: Accused Member #435 Joined: Sep 17, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Pherttsylvania	killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff. I don't think anyone is calling you a traitor to the region, KK. In fact you've been here ever before I moved myself into Lazarus from my founding. From my time observing from the sidelines I always assumed you'd be a cooler head on which to prevail during what to me seem to be unwarranted and unfounded attacks between members of the region. I'm sorry to say I don't really know what is going on with all the argument and what seems to me misdirection in Lazarus recently, but I for one don't care for it at all. No matter how far back into Lazarus history I try to go, the more conflicting stories I receive.



Amerion	Jul 18 2017, 05:58 AM Post #27
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	Lamb Jul 18 2017, 04:35 AM Ike Jul 18 2017, 04:29 AM killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff. CoS isn't the one suspected of partaking in an effort to subvert our region's democracy. You're right, Amerion is. Until you stop spouting and start providing actual evidence to back-up your claims other than the fact we're a different R/D alignment, you're really accomplishing nothing. Your suspicion is inherently biased because of your views towards members of LWU or any non-defender region for that matter. You're correct, I am. No doubt due to some meddling on your end. It would be rather convenient for you and Funk if I were found guilty of those trumped up charges, considering I would be removed as Guardian and barred from office. One less figure to oppose your blatant efforts to consolidate whatever agenda you have.



Lamb	Jul 18 2017, 06:03 AM Post #28
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	Amerion Jul 18 2017, 05:58 AM Lamb Jul 18 2017, 04:35 AM Ike Jul 18 2017, 04:29 AM killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:28 AM Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. Ha. So you want me to say that I can be insulted and called a traitor to Lazarus all because I'm in LWU and you have a bone to pick with people callinig out CoS? I can also direct you to the same cliff. CoS isn't the one suspected of partaking in an effort to subvert our region's democracy. You're right, Amerion is. Until you stop spouting and start providing actual evidence to back-up your claims other than the fact we're a different R/D alignment, you're really accomplishing nothing. Your suspicion is inherently biased because of your views towards members of LWU or any non-defender region for that matter. You're correct, I am. No doubt due to some meddling on your end. It would be rather convenient for you and Funk if I were found guilty of those trumped up charges, considering I would be removed as Guardian and barred from office. One less figure to oppose your blatant efforts to consolidate whatever agenda you have. The logs are pretty clear what your intentions are. You can try the pity party all you want pal.



Drop Your Pants	Jul 18 2017, 12:53 PM Post #29
🐑 Lazarse 🐑 Posts: 8,388,607 Group: Members Member #143 Joined: May 5, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Sheeptastic Discord DYP	Keep to the topic at hand please. EW, people don't understand the 'jump off a cliff' saying. Possibly take it down a notch. Edited by Drop Your Pants, Jul 18 2017, 12:56 PM.



The13th	Jul 18 2017, 02:11 PM Post #30
Guy in the Public Eye Posts: 455 Group: Citizen Member #547 Joined: Mar 3, 2017 Political Views Independent Alignment Neutral Good Military Stance Neutral Nation in Lazarus Daybreak13	Aumelodia Jul 18 2017, 04:22 AM killer kitty Jul 18 2017, 04:10 AM Ark Jul 17 2017, 11:22 PM Proposing this at the same time as Aumelodia refuses to assent to your nomination of an LWUer as prelate... yeah, I'm not buying into this. 👎 I'm sorry. I've been in this region since 2005 and have been delegate of this region four times. If after all that, I'm just an "LWUer" to you, I can direct you to the nearest cliff you can jump off of. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. So CoS can't play the "I've been here forever" card when we're talking about his positions and simple activity but you can, when we're talking about voter importation no less? Being here a long time doesn't make you any less liable to current events. Seriously, what a pathetic sham. I do agree here. While I think KK is not taking part in a coup in my knowledge, and I do have trust in KK, I also think that you cannot play the 'I've been her for a long time' card. If you can use it successfully than CoS should be able to use it and be successful. It's dissapointing how I've noticed that some things that happen here are okay when you do them, but not okay when others do them.



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