[Proposal] Amendment to the Mandate

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[Proposal] Amendment to the Mandate; Regarding a Core World holding multiple offices at any given time
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Amerion	Jun 25 2017, 07:20 AM Post #1
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	SS.6 of Article V (Miscellaneous Provisions) of the Celestial Mandate Act states: Quote: Holding of Offices (6) No Core World in the office of the Celestial Being, the Sovereign, the Defender of the Realm, an Archbishop, a Bishop, the Convenor, a Deputy to the Convenor, the Holy Prelate, or a Prelate, may at any one time, occupy his own office and that of another. I note the mention of Bishop and Deputy to the Convenor. As these offices are typically construed as being secondary in nature, I propose we strike the mention of them from this sub-section; thereby freeing up persons currently in these positions from serving Lazarus in another capacity as well. I submit the following amendment: The Celestial Union of Lazarus Amendment to the Celestial Mandate Act No. 19 of 2017 The Cosmic Council enacts: PART 1 — PRELIMINARY 1 Purposes The purposes of this Act are – To refine the list of offices a Counciller may serve simultaneously. 2 Commencement This Act comes into operation upon passage. PART 2 — TEXT 1 - Amendment to Section 6, Article V, of the Act The following section: (6) No Core World in the office of the Celestial Being, the Sovereign, the Defender of the Realm, an Archbishop, a Bishop, the Convenor, a Deputy to the Convenor, the Holy Prelate, or a Prelate, may at any one time, occupy his own office and that of another. Shall be amended to: (6) No Core World in the office of the Celestial Being, the Sovereign, the Defender of the Realm, an Archbishop, the Convenor, the Holy Prelate, or a Prelate, may at any one time, occupy his own office and that of another.



Funkadelia	Jun 25 2017, 07:26 AM Post #2
Posts: 2,155 Group: King of the Undead Member #86 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Socialist Nation in Lazarus Funkadelia	I oppose this proposal, especially on the grounds that this is still an issue of the separation of powers. Bishops are members of the executive branch, and deputy convenors are members of the legislative. Once you remove that wall of separation, what makes that any different than an Archbishop also being the Convenor?



Amerion	Jun 25 2017, 07:38 AM Post #3
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	I think there are some members in our community who could very well work as both DoC and Bishops as these aren't particular tedious tasks (compared to the Convenor and their respective Archbishops). While I agree with you that a Separation of Powers should exist, I am unsure to what extent we should mandate it in Lazarus. Not to dwell on other matters, but I'd argue that if we were to have full SoP then the executive should not have a say on legislative procedures.



Lamb	Jun 25 2017, 07:41 AM Post #4
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	I would say that, especially with all that needs to be done in this region, to imply that a Bishop's work could be insignificant or not very demanding is an understatement. The same can be said with the Deputies of the Convenor, considering how much legislation, discussion, and need for leadership that the Council has needed just this last month alone.



Amerion	Jun 25 2017, 07:47 AM Post #5
Star Destroyer Posts: 6,524 Group: Accused Member #29 Joined: Apr 9, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Amerion Discord Amerion#9702	Lamb Jun 25 2017, 07:41 AM I would say that, especially with all that needs to be done in this region, to imply that a Bishop's work could be insignificant or not very demanding is an understatement. The same can be said with the Deputies of the Convenor, considering how much legislation, discussion, and need for leadership that the Council has needed just this last month alone. Having been out of the executive for quite some time, I'll defer to your experience as Archbishop on this.



Funkadelia	Jun 25 2017, 07:49 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,155 Group: King of the Undead Member #86 Joined: Apr 22, 2015 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Socialist Nation in Lazarus Funkadelia	Amerion Jun 25 2017, 07:38 AM I think there are some members in our community who could very well work as both DoC and Bishops as these aren't particular tedious tasks (compared to the Convenor and their respective Archbishops). While I agree with you that a Separation of Powers should exist, I am unsure to what extent we should mandate it in Lazarus. Not to dwell on other matters, but I'd argue that if we were to have full SoP then the executive should not have a say on legislative procedures. I know that this is a direct reference to the shortening of the voting period, which, as I laid out previously, is a region-wide decision for emergency circumstances, such as an imploded court, a coup, or a war, and a 3-step procedure involving heads of the region, much like a nuclear launch decision might be, is what is appropriate for that case. However, in terms of the mingling of convenors and bishops, that is a separate issue and is irrelevant to anything else outside of this discussion. Edited by Funkadelia, Jun 25 2017, 07:55 AM.



The13th	Jun 25 2017, 06:25 PM Post #7
Guy in the Public Eye Posts: 455 Group: Citizen Member #547 Joined: Mar 3, 2017 Political Views Independent Alignment Neutral Good Military Stance Neutral Nation in Lazarus Daybreak13	I think that we need to keep the Executive and Legislative clearly separated, with some slight overlap to provide checks and balances. Nevertheless, I think we could define lesser offices, such as being an Ambassador, to clear up the written statement that a government official from a superior office can still hold a lesser office, but not another superior office. I don't know if you can understand what I'm saying there! I typed it up quickly



Constie	Jun 30 2017, 04:07 PM Post #8
Chief Justice Emeritus of the Grand Court Posts: 830 Group: Accused Member #132 Joined: Apr 28, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	Funkadelia Jun 25 2017, 07:49 AM Amerion Jun 25 2017, 07:38 AM I think there are some members in our community who could very well work as both DoC and Bishops as these aren't particular tedious tasks (compared to the Convenor and their respective Archbishops). While I agree with you that a Separation of Powers should exist, I am unsure to what extent we should mandate it in Lazarus. Not to dwell on other matters, but I'd argue that if we were to have full SoP then the executive should not have a say on legislative procedures. I know that this is a direct reference to the shortening of the voting period, which, as I laid out previously, is a region-wide decision for emergency circumstances, such as an imploded court, a coup, or a war, and a 3-step procedure involving heads of the region, much like a nuclear launch decision might be, is what is appropriate for that case. However, in terms of the mingling of convenors and bishops, that is a separate issue and is irrelevant to anything else outside of this discussion. In the event of a coup, or a war, an Emergency Powers Act should be created.



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