Loftegen for Sovereign

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Loftegen for Sovereign
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 29 2017, 05:41 AM (682 Views)
Loftegen	Mar 29 2017, 05:41 AM Post #1
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	A special election is upon us, and I am once more running for the office of Sovereign. What can you expect from me if I am elected? Wacky antics, amusing hijinks, fun polls, and a Sovereign who is actual on and posting every day! Wouldn't that be a pleasant change? Might even spur some activity, which some say has been lacking of late. Questions are welcome!

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Lamb	Mar 30 2017, 07:39 PM Post #21
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	Loftegen Mar 30 2017, 07:37 PM Lamb Mar 30 2017, 06:50 PM Hey, you can derail your own thread all you want. It just continues to make you look like the candidate we don't need by shying away from the criticism you're receiving. Does it upset you when I jack my thread? Maybe you should go somewhere else then. Upset me? Nah. I'll just repost this for everyone, baby. Loftegen Mar 29 2017, 08:19 AM Actually it was asking them to endorse me...and Doperland. Also, changing the WFE isn't a crime. As for the embassy postings, I'd say you're the one who over-reacted: you talk about stimulating activity; I actually went and did it. Regardless of how you attempt to spin this, you performed several actions and explicitly made statements implying that you were undermining the legitimate government of Lazarus. Changing the WFE to manipulate unsuspecting residents into thinking you were the rightful head of state goes along with that. Check the ULC for the bit on High Treason. Potential charges that you've mocked on the RMB already and something you're clearly trying to avoid via your recent legal inquiry. You still haven't accounted for taking border control away from Doperland, which was clearly a move to take any sort of power away from legitimate government officials. You also didn't acknowledge the RMB spamming you did on allied and other GCR RMBs where you claimed you were couping the region. You continue to claim you've done something, but really you just further proved that you can't be trusted and you intend to serve your own interests, not Lazarus'. Loftegen Mar 29 2017, 08:19 AM What have you established, but an inactive region? Funk didn't even bother to post a link to his campaign thread on the RMB. He's already failing in his stated goal of engaging the gameside. As for what I'd do when my term ends, I'll probably hand the office over to my duly elected successor - just like I did last time! You're really just showing how detached you really are from this region. There has been ongoing discussions for quite some time now in the government and in the citizenry (mostly on Discord which you don't take part in right?) on the direction for the region. There isn't a lack of people supplying ideas and motivation; there is a lack of combined effort towards those goals and wants, which is why this election is honestly pretty crucial. You can continue to deflect and poke petty jabs at Funk, but he is the only one providing some sort of coherent, solid plans that can actually produce results instead of just "yeah gameside uh huh". Loftegen Mar 29 2017, 08:19 AM When I was delegate, I put in lots of work. When I left office, I avoided the spotlight to give my successor a chance to shine. I'm curious, though, what worries you more than engaging the gameside? So what you're saying is that you can only do things to benefit the region while you're delegate? That's what it seems like you're going on about here. You've obviously been paying attention, no? Yet, you seem to only come out of your hole when you see opportunity for some sort of personal gain. The region has been struggling for some time, yet none of us have seen you come around and supply input or aid in efforts to change things. You instead point fingers and claim everyone else is the problem. Weird. I personally would like to see recruitment, more government involvement encouraged, which leads to cultural activities off-site and on, etc. But hey, I'm not here to help build your platform, I'm just here to critique it.



Loftegen	Mar 30 2017, 07:46 PM Post #22
Supreme Autocrat Posts: 11,070 Group: Members Member #108 Joined: Apr 23, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent	And yet all you've done is attack me personally. That's a move used by people who've got nothing else. When are you going to accuse me colluding with the Russians, or of being literally Hitler? Edited by Loftegen, Mar 30 2017, 07:46 PM.



Tom	Mar 30 2017, 08:09 PM Post #23
Lazarene Posts: 133 Group: Necromancer of War Member #519 Joined: Jan 17, 2017 Alignment Lawful Evil Military Stance Raider Discord Tom#3775	No more bad memes.



Doperland	Mar 30 2017, 08:39 PM Post #24
Everybody's favorite Dictatorship Posts: 214 Group: Accused Member #161 Joined: May 26, 2015 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Discord Necrocreature#5472	I have a question for you Loftegen. Assuming you win, would you be willing to work with me and a few other people on revamping Lazarus's military? It's not a point of pride, and that's something having the Sovereign working on would be nice. And if you don't win, would you still do any of the reforms you might do if you won? Or is your plan if you win to retain the status quo?



Unified Wakanda	Mar 30 2017, 11:22 PM Post #25
Lazarene Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #455 Joined: Oct 19, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus The Republic of Unified Wakanda	Lamb Mar 30 2017, 06:50 PM Hey, you can derail your own thread all you want. It just continues to make you look like the candidate we don't need by shying away from the criticism you're receiving. It would make sense for you to say that if you came here to genuinely provide constructive criticism. But you have a long history of having some beef with Loft for whatever reason. You just come here to try and tear down Loft. If you're going to just attack him and not do anything that actually helps, you can butt out.



Unified Wakanda	Mar 30 2017, 11:26 PM Post #26
Lazarene Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #455 Joined: Oct 19, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus The Republic of Unified Wakanda	Doperland Mar 30 2017, 08:39 PM I have a question for you Loftegen. Assuming you win, would you be willing to work with me and a few other people on revamping Lazarus's military? It's not a point of pride, and that's something having the Sovereign working on would be nice. And if you don't win, would you still do any of the reforms you might do if you won? Or is your plan if you win to retain the status quo? Yeah I think that this has become a big campaign issue. The THI is nothing like the old LLA. I believe that there needs to be a serious revamp on the THI. (A name change won't hurt) Also, the other Sovereign candidate has said that he is willing to discuss dissolving the THI due to its current state of disrepair. Do you hold the same position or are you absolutely committed to the THI?



Lamb	Mar 31 2017, 12:44 AM Post #27
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	Unified Wakanda Mar 30 2017, 11:22 PM Lamb Mar 30 2017, 06:50 PM Hey, you can derail your own thread all you want. It just continues to make you look like the candidate we don't need by shying away from the criticism you're receiving. It would make sense for you to say that if you came here to genuinely provide constructive criticism. But you have a long history of having some beef with Loft for whatever reason. You just come here to try and tear down Loft. If you're going to just attack him and not do anything that actually helps, you can butt out. I don't have a long history of beef with him at all, actually. I made a legal inquiry into him banjecting my nation from the region, which was deemed illegal, and mainly did that to establish a precedent. That's the only thing you could possibly reference and was really recent lol. If you actually read anything I've said, it's critiquing his recent actions which not many people in the region have taken lightly, whether you agree or not. He has also refused to really respond to any of it or acknowledge any wrong-doing. I'm not here to provide constructive criticism, this is a campaign thread, not a discussion for brainstorming. So focus on the issues at hand, instead of putting the focus on me, ya hot dog. Edited by Lamb, Mar 31 2017, 12:46 AM.



Aumelodia	Mar 31 2017, 01:46 AM Post #28
🌺 His Divine Eminence Posts: 584 Group: Accused Member #495 Joined: Dec 20, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus Aumelodia Discord Somyrion#8047	Unified Wakanda Mar 30 2017, 11:26 PM Yeah I think that this has become a big campaign issue. The THI is nothing like the old LLA. I believe that there needs to be a serious revamp on the THI. (A name change won't hurt) Also, the other Sovereign candidate has said that he is willing to discuss dissolving the THI due to its current state of disrepair. Do you hold the same position or are you absolutely committed to the THI? I'm not sure why you're focused so much on Funk's comment about THI. It seemed much more like "we need to discuss more about the military, and lay out all our options" than "I'm thinking about shutting it down". You're construing his opinions a bit much, methinks. As for lamb's criticism of Loftegen, if your nation was illegally ejected from the region and no one did anything about it, would you be upset? If that same person then also changed the whole gameside appearance of the region and refused to cooperate with the legitimate government? Lamb has some pretty legitimate concerns. @Loft: how can we trust that you'll stay loyal to the elected, rightful government and laws of Lazarus when you've repeatedly broken those very laws and then shrugged them off? A meme or a flippant response doesn't work, we already know you're the most active on the RMB. But Sovereign does not equate to RMB Poster of the Year Award. How can you prove, how do we know, that you'll be a trustworthy and cooperative Sovereign? I like your ideas, but I can't support you if I can't trust in you as the leader of the region.



Unified Wakanda	Mar 31 2017, 02:23 AM Post #29
Lazarene Posts: 86 Group: Members Member #455 Joined: Oct 19, 2016 Alignment Lawful Good Military Stance Neutral Political Views Independent Nation in Lazarus The Republic of Unified Wakanda	Aumelodia Mar 31 2017, 01:46 AM Unified Wakanda Mar 30 2017, 11:26 PM Yeah I think that this has become a big campaign issue. The THI is nothing like the old LLA. I believe that there needs to be a serious revamp on the THI. (A name change won't hurt) Also, the other Sovereign candidate has said that he is willing to discuss dissolving the THI due to its current state of disrepair. Do you hold the same position or are you absolutely committed to the THI? I'm not sure why you're focused so much on Funk's comment about THI. It seemed much more like "we need to discuss more about the military, and lay out all our options" than "I'm thinking about shutting it down". You're construing his opinions a bit much, methinks. As for lamb's criticism of Loftegen, if your nation was illegally ejected from the region and no one did anything about it, would you be upset? If that same person then also changed the whole gameside appearance of the region and refused to cooperate with the legitimate government? Lamb has some pretty legitimate concerns. @Loft: how can we trust that you'll stay loyal to the elected, rightful government and laws of Lazarus when you've repeatedly broken those very laws and then shrugged them off? A meme or a flippant response doesn't work, we already know you're the most active on the RMB. But Sovereign does not equate to RMB Poster of the Year Award. How can you prove, how do we know, that you'll be a trustworthy and cooperative Sovereign? I like your ideas, but I can't support you if I can't trust in you as the leader of the region. About Funk's comments: I worded it so that I would avoid the past mistake of Morozovia(I think) saying that Funk wants to dissolve it. I never assumed that he enjoys or absolutely supports getting rid of the THI. I know that Funk merely wants to discuss and keep all the options on the table for the THI. I was merely asking Loft if he held the same legitimate position. As for Lamb's criticism of Loft. He holds very true concerns of Loft's past actions. However, he's descended past the point of providing real criticism for him and is just holding personal attacks on Loft's demeanor. I was pointing out the fact that Lamb wasn't helping any by saying that Loft is trying to "hide" from criticism. This is presumably why Loft responded to him the first couple of times and just stopped after a while. Edited by Unified Wakanda, Mar 31 2017, 02:24 AM.



Lamb	Mar 31 2017, 02:33 AM Post #30
Posts: 884 Group: Regent Member #387 Joined: Aug 7, 2016 Alignment Chaotic Neutral Military Stance Raider Political Views Anarchist Nation in Lazarus Scum	Unified Wakanda Mar 31 2017, 02:23 AM As for Lamb's criticism of Loft. He holds very true concerns of Loft's past actions. However, he's descended past the point of providing real criticism for him and is just holding personal attacks on Loft's demeanor. I was pointing out the fact that Lamb wasn't helping any by saying that Loft is trying to "hide" from criticism. This is presumably why Loft responded to him the first couple of times and just stopped after a while. So it's justified that he refrains from responding or acknowledging anything because I pointed out that he's doing so? And to be clear, just because my observations are blunt, doesn't mean they're by any means personal attacks. That interpretation is really serving to do nothing but attempt to discredit the concerns I've brought up. If you don't like the heat, stay out of the kitchen, boo.



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